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Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Iconoclast! Where's the fun in dealing with reality? DaveN Iconoclast David Aug 21, 2014 9:53 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - common sense tells us that none of these things can happen; raising people from th Willard ". Aug 21, 2014 9:32 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] ARCHEOLOGY OF NAZARETH - Fred, until I met you, I didn't reach so hard in one direction :-) correlation isn't causation. You and I met at the Black Dog. For me, Chistianity, Islam, r David Aug 20, 2014 6:04 PM
Fwd: This Friday: LAZY READERS and MEANING OF FREE WILL DISCUSSION - This Friday, Aug 22, 7 p.m., Lenexa Price Chopper: 2-PARTER: Fred Aug 20, 2014 4:56 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] ARCHEOLOGY OF NAZARETH - Dave, I'm a number 2 on the Dawkins scale.  Usually.  Yeah, I was in Israel on business years ago during my previous incarnation as a young filmmaker, and had little time (or desire) to go looking at the touristy si Fred Aug 20, 2014 4:29 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] ARCHEOLOGY OF NAZARETH - Fred, That was genuinely usefull information. Thanks. Do you know anything about the tour company there? It apparently caters to American David Aug 20, 2014 2:45 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Hi Chris, Eugene C. Aug 20, 2014 12:37 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Eugene, Christopher Aug 20, 2014 12:01 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] ARCHEOLOGY OF NAZARETH - Dave, You're not only really reaching here, but you're reaching based on demonstrably mistaken notions.  If you're saying that Jesus of Nazareth couldn't have gone to the temple and turned the tables of t Fred Aug 20, 2014 11:43 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] ARCHEOLOGY OF NAZARETH - So, Jesus going to the temple to turn the tables on the money changers seems somewhat implausible? There were no temples. What David Aug 20, 2014 12:25 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Eugenem, Christopher Aug 19, 2014 10:07 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Hi Chris, Eugene C. Aug 19, 2014 9:38 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Eugene, Christopher Aug 19, 2014 9:31 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Eugene, Christopher Aug 19, 2014 9:27 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Hi Chris, Eugene C. Aug 19, 2014 9:08 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Eugene, Christopher Aug 19, 2014 8:22 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Right on, Raj.  The ID people (more accurately "Anti-Evolution people") need to understand that evolution does this using of existing technology much better than their inflexible, short-lived, large-scale-design-change-for-­every- Fred Aug 19, 2014 6:21 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] ARCHEOLOGY OF NAZARETH - Excavating Jesus , pp. 23-36, contains a good summary of what ar eric Aug 19, 2014 3:00 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - typo correction: other check --> other cheek Eugene C. Aug 19, 2014 2:15 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Hi Chris, Eugene C. Aug 19, 2014 2:07 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Haven't studied this enough, but here's an example of intelligent design:  http://cleantechnica.com/2013/­01/24/v3solar-spin-cell-cones-­cheap-solar/ Raj Aug 19, 2014 1:56 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - One of the ironies is that people in the 'Intelligent Design' movement and their followers don't know enough about what 'Intelligent Design' is and what it could be. I'd strongly recommend a Design Engineering course Raj Aug 19, 2014 1:50 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - A further note, which I have mentioned before: The vast remove in time, place, and culture between us, on the one hand Christopher Aug 19, 2014 1:26 PM
Re: Fwd: Re: [Provocateurs] This Friday: LAZY READERS and MEANING OF FREE WILL DISCUSSION - A better analogy might be an early personal computer, with modules connected together th David Aug 19, 2014 10:47 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] ARCHEOLOGY OF NAZARETH - Eric, How about a few hints for the lazy readers? I found it on Kindle for $11 David Aug 19, 2014 10:44 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] This Friday: LAZY READERS and MEANING OF FREE WILL DISCUSSION - Another way of looking at it, is that we convince ourselves, after the fact, say 300 ms David Aug 19, 2014 10:36 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - If a neighbor 2 miles away was giving away free Royals tickets to the big game, you woul David Aug 19, 2014 10:28 AM
Fwd: Re: [Provocateurs] This Friday: LAZY READERS and MEANING OF FREE WILL DISCUSSION - I neglected to add that the September issue of Harper's has an article by Edward O Wilson en eric Aug 19, 2014 9:59 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] ARCHEOLOGY OF NAZARETH - For a discussion of the archeology of Nazareth, including the first ce eric Aug 19, 2014 9:28 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] A Moral Conundrum - Dave: Thank you for your note and invitation.  However, my other commitments -- teaching at K-State, writing and editing, involvement with Kansas Citizens for Science, work for the local Democratic Party, work with the A Keith M. Aug 19, 2014 9:11 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] This Friday: LAZY READERS and MEANING OF FREE WILL DISCUSSION - Quote of the Day from Isaac Bashevis Singer: "W eric Aug 19, 2014 9:00 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - There are a lot of possible explanations, and many of the names of Jesus came much later than his lifetime. Nazareth not being listed does not mean it does not exist, and I know that recently I have found out there have been people liv Ray Aug 19, 2014 8:55 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Eugene, I can't tell if you are really interested in this issue or you are pla David Aug 18, 2014 10:22 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Dave, You don't seem to be understanding my question. A little while back Eugene C. Aug 18, 2014 9:53 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Eugene, It depends on when Jesus was said to exist. If it was David Aug 18, 2014 9:43 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] A Moral Conundrum - Keith (specifically replying to Keith Miller), I haven't gotten to know you, s David Aug 18, 2014 9:25 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] A Moral Conundrum - JohnM, David Aug 18, 2014 9:11 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] This Friday: LAZY READERS and MEANING OF FREE WILL DISCUSSION - I for one don't take this on board so quickly (Science does seem to reverse itself frequently after all).  Though I know we can see that the process may be correct in the dimension where such things live, we don't live there.  If Frank Aug 18, 2014 8:57 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Dave, Eugene C. Aug 18, 2014 8:33 PM
What Muhammad Ali said in 1971 - David Aug 18, 2014 8:21 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Ray, Look at the more carefull reply that I sent to Eugene. It is also availab David Aug 18, 2014 8:16 PM
This Friday: LAZY READERS and MEANING OF FREE WILL DISCUSSION - This Friday, Aug 22, 7 p.m., Lenexa Price Chopper: 2-PARTER: PART 1, DISCUSSION:  WHAT WILL IT MEAN WHEN WE DECIDE FREE WILL IS AN ILLUSION Fred Aug 18, 2014 8:12 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Eugene, I remember reading about the eyewitnesses t David Aug 18, 2014 8:03 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Another explanation is that we are the product of an inexperienced god, perhaps a teenag David Aug 18, 2014 6:33 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Or just phoning it in. I mean when you set up a tank for turtles and a breeder tank for guppies to feed the turtles, you don't put as much effort into the breeder tank. From what I see in the bible, it looks like this world is just the Ray Aug 18, 2014 6:00 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - He not only can bend the laws of Physics. He's supposed to have made them in the first place. So either he's a lousy engineer, an incompetent desig Raj Aug 18, 2014 4:49 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - If that's the case, then a God who is capable of bending the laws of physics is a really lousy engineer. Too much waste fluff to get to your final Raj Aug 18, 2014 4:33 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Raj, You obviously haven't been paying attention. The purpose for the universe is ..... are you ready ..... us :-) Of course, if you were a chimpan David Aug 18, 2014 4:25 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - David, Eugene C. Aug 18, 2014 3:28 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - I am coming on Friday. On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Raj Ghangam < [address removed] > wro Raj Aug 18, 2014 3:28 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - What does a 'purposeful universe' mean? What IS its' purpose? On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Fred < Raj Aug 18, 2014 3:27 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Because not every Tom Dick and Harry leaves a historical record. Is there a historical record of every street preacher in the Huston area from 1972 to 1981? I seriously doubt it. Is there a record of how many of the called themselves Ray Aug 18, 2014 2:17 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Raj, I've been giving this some thought over the years, asking myself, what are the reasonable alternatives once one becomes convinced that the universe is likely the result of a purposeful mind?  Let me know if you& Fred Aug 18, 2014 2:04 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Eugene, I was wondering if you would notice the statement about Josephus. That creates an interesting dilemna; if I say that modern historians agre David Aug 18, 2014 1:27 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - David, Eugene C. Aug 18, 2014 12:45 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Hi Ray, Eugene C. Aug 18, 2014 12:44 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Hi Chris, I'm glad that you think my approach is arguably reasonable--give Eugene C. Aug 18, 2014 12:33 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - If Joshua was preaching in that area, why didn't historians such as Josephus, who most likely did exist, not mention a wonder worker plying his trade, just a David Aug 18, 2014 12:15 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Direct evidence, no, but the messianic movement in Israel at the time spawned a number of notable figures, including Judas of Galillee, Menahem bar Judas, Theudus, Vespasian, and John of Gischala. We also know that Jesus was not an uncommon Ray Aug 18, 2014 11:55 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - More intetesting is not a composite of Joshuas, but of myhologies in the region. One tiny example: the Christian_Pieta is a mimicry of a sculp David Aug 18, 2014 11:52 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Ray, You said that "there were about 30 or so Jesuses (Jesi?) running arou Eugene C. Aug 18, 2014 10:23 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - What would be, I think, more interesting to examine is the idea of to what degree Jesus existed as a historical *individual* and to what degree he is a composite image. Certainly there are stories about Jesus in the bible which seem to be t Ray Aug 18, 2014 10:13 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Eugene, Christopher Aug 17, 2014 7:14 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - correction; Robinson thought that Revelation was written prior to AD 70 but he didn't regard it as the earliest. Eugene C. Aug 17, 2014 3:25 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - reasoned, Eugene C. Aug 17, 2014 2:10 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - I was under the impression that Revelations was about reasoner Aug 17, 2014 1:40 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Bored as hell. Anyone wanna hang out, do something or maybe just hang out? - That’s true. I like laugh. I’m likely a lot older than you. Judith S. Aug 16, 2014 9:47 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Bored as hell. Anyone wanna hang out, do something or maybe just hang out? - Judith S. Aug 16, 2014 9:45 PM
Did Aristotle invent science? – podcast | Science | theguardian.com - http://www.theguardian.com/sci­ence/audio/2014/aug/11/science­-weekly-podcast-aristotle-arma­nd-leroi-lagoon Sent from Dan Dan Aug 16, 2014 6:12 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Bored as hell. Anyone wanna hang out, do something or maybe just hang out? - Hehe. Atleast I made you laugh. On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Judith Steffen < [address removed] Raj Aug 16, 2014 6:06 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Bored as hell. Anyone wanna hang out, do something or maybe just hang out? - Raj, that’s funny. I’m not likely the one but that’s funny. Judith S. Aug 16, 2014 5:59 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Christopher Aug 16, 2014 5:57 PM
Bored as hell. Anyone wanna hang out, do something or maybe just hang out? - What the title ^ says? Raj Aug 16, 2014 5:53 PM
RE: [Provocateurs] A Moral Conundrum - John M. Aug 16, 2014 11:39 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Okay, I'll greg Aug 16, 2014 9:54 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] A Moral Conundrum - Dave: Just a quick response as I am out of the state visiting family and dropping off my son at college.  I will make some more comments later. You seem to keep arguing against positions that I h Keith M. Aug 16, 2014 9:20 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Greg, Eugene C. Aug 16, 2014 7:25 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - I would greg Aug 16, 2014 2:01 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Preview not available Robert H. Aug 15, 2014 6:46 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] replies - Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Atheists welcome you. If all Christians were like you, I wouldn't be so bothered by it. DaveN Skeptic. David Aug 15, 2014 6:37 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Hamas is on a suicide mission - That is an XCLNT Harris essay, Trevor. Thanks for the heads-up. Bob Hooper On Aug 15, 2014, at 12:16 AM, Trevo Robert H. Aug 15, 2014 6:17 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - How do you go from ' a reasonable case for a "creator" that is both transcendent (exists outside this universe, outside nature) and thoughtfu Raj Aug 15, 2014 6:11 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Robert and Lee, I did write a book that goes to many of the scientists at the forefront of modern cosmology to see how we know what we know about how the universe got here and into its present state, and therein found evi Fred Aug 15, 2014 6:05 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] replies - Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Dave, I was wrong about Pascal - that was Descartes, of course ... which I normally would have said ... but it WAS a long day. But I did mean to say "pro-atheist."  You may an anti-theist, though I think you' Fred Aug 15, 2014 5:54 PM
No P&P tonight, but next Friday ... - For the nosy person  Fred Aug 15, 2014 5:44 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Hamas is on a suicide mission - Trevor, Thanks for pointing that out. Here is the David Aug 15, 2014 5:21 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Why religion is bad for your brain - I have read some Twilight Zone scripts in book form. They are somethere between fiction David Aug 15, 2014 4:38 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Christopher Aug 15, 2014 4:30 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Why religion is bad for your brain - Eugene, When I started doing some computer teaching for adults, I was fortunat David Aug 15, 2014 4:29 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Why religion is bad for your brain - Hi Eugene, Primarily cultural threats, in his view. The one I particularly remember was Lee G. Aug 15, 2014 4:09 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Why religion is bad for your brain - Eugene, ... science-related books written by such author David Aug 15, 2014 3:46 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Why religion is bad for your brain - Hi Dave, Eugene C. Aug 15, 2014 3:40 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Why religion is bad for your brain - David, Eugene C. Aug 15, 2014 3:34 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Why religion is bad for your brain - Hi Lee, Eugene C. Aug 15, 2014 3:33 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - [Shameless endorsement] Fred's book, Show Me God, is quite well written. David Aug 15, 2014 2:57 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Why religion is bad for your brain - Eugene, I went to primary school in the mid-1950's. I would hope that th David Aug 15, 2014 2:53 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Why religion is bad for your brain - Please Note: If you hit " REPLY ", your message will be sent to everyone David Aug 15, 2014 2:42 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Why religion is bad for your brain - James, Got to Meetup and remove yourself from the list. DaevN David Aug 15, 2014 2:39 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Why religion is bad for your brain - ' Did your religious teachers actually tell you not to read books that lack the Nih David Aug 15, 2014 2:37 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Why religion is bad for your brain - Hi Eugene, I am not sure how many summers David has seen, but to refute his claim I think you Lee G. Aug 15, 2014 2:22 PM

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