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Re: [sfror] Looking for 2 Lead ROR Developers in SF!

From: Vladimir G.
Sent on: Friday, June 15, 2012 11:27 PM
What youre saying makes sense for larger companies that have process inertia which prohibits agile approach to things like hiring. I think both smaller companies and companies in dire need of talent will be more flexible.

If there is there is a budget ceiling of 120k for a developer and a 10% placement fee for a recruiter, i find it hard to believe that a company will say no to a qualified candidate who wants 130k if that candidate approached the company directly. In the latter case, hiring this candidate will cost the company $2k less.

Just wanted to point out that employee salary is also an expense of the employer :)

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Michael Chong <[address removed]> wrote:
Just a clarification.  External Recruiter does NOT get a cut "from" the candidate's salary.  This is a common misconception.

The placement fee is an expense of the employer.

In fact, it is to the candidate's best interest because the recruiter's placement fee is a percentage of the base salary. Higher the candidate's offer, the higher the recruiter's earning.

If the employer has set a salary range for a role i.e. $100K - $120K base salary, the candidate's salary is not reduced because of a recruiter's placement fee.

Employers have a hiring expense budget separate from salary. It's the cost of finding great talent that is set aside. It's a totally different cost category in accounting.

No catch 22 there.

That said, fair and competitive employers will stick to the market rate and if you counter for $150K or more in example above, you'll be expected to be one of the best RoR developers.  You should consult with your recruiter before making a hasty decision. Otherwise, most employers will walk away from the table. 



Michael
Sent (w/ typos) from my iPhone.

On Jun 15, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Vladimir Gurovich <[address removed]> wrote:

It seems a catch 22 type of situation: On one hand, recruiter may help you with negotiation. On another, a recruiter is getting a cut of what you might be getting, so the advantage of recruiter negotiating for you may cancel itself out.
I see your point about extra info that a recruiter may be able to provide, in this case the job description was a copy paste from company's site which allowed me to google the company in an instant though :)

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:12 PM, cody voellinger <[address removed]> wrote:

That’s true Erik, but from a Recruiter’s perspective, that’s not my main concern with displaying the company name.  A recruiter can help a candidate who is applying in many ways- company insight, interview prep, salary negotiations, and getting their resume heard above the rest.  So I feel most candidates would prefer to work with a recruiter, assuming the recruiter is a good one.

 

The reason I am often reluctant to give out a client name initially, is because the natural response is to jump to the company’s website and make a quick decision whether it is interesting or not.

 

Often times, these decisions are not completely informed.  There is a lot of info I want to provide about the team size, culture, current projects and future direction of the company that should weigh into making that an interesting place to work.  But that info would get ignored as soon as a hyperlink is provided…

 

My $.02, have a good weekend all!

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Erik Petersen
Sent: Friday, June 15,[masked]:01 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [sfror] Looking for 2 Lead ROR Developers in SF!

 

Recruiters don't want you to apply directly because then they don't get a commission.

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Mehul Kar <[address removed]> wrote:

I'm relatively new to this list and to programming, but isn't it important for developers (or anyone) to know from job postings what company/product they're applying for? I guess I don't understand how recruiters work. 

 

 

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Mehul Kar



On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Nicole Blincoe <[address removed]> wrote:

Looking for Jr. and Lead ROR Developers!

Contract to hire or Direct Hire:)

 

What you’ll do…

• Operate as a member of the agile development team.

• Pair program with other top notch rails engineers, developing across the full stack of functionality from database to front end.

• Build full stack automation tests to ensure that the shipped product is as solid and reliable.

• Work on chef recipes to deploy production system changes, in a paired environment.

• Resolve production defects and respond to direct customer needs.

 

Skills we’d like to see…

• Real world experience with Ruby on Rails in a production environment.

• Experience working and deploy on Linux systems.

• Familiarity with cloud based deployments.

• Browser automation experience, with Selenium or other related technologies.

• Database experience, preferably with PostgreSQL or a similar system.

• Chef experience, or other system automation technology a plus.

 

What’s in it for you…

• To become part of a team that is new, energized and going places…fast.

• You’ll be working in the Financial District with close proximity to transportation, places to dine, glasses of wine and stands for shoe shines.

• And, the best part – Happy Hour Fridays on the CEO.

 

Please email me at [address removed]

 

 

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