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Meeting notes for HAZMAT Prep on a shoestring budget.

Group Organizer
Philadelphia, PA
Hello good people !

We are going to have a great meetup at the Underground Arts building, 12th and Callowhill sts. The bar will be open and patronage ( and tipping $ ) there is the best way to show gratitude to our hosts. The doors will open around 3:30 pm and the parking lot across the street is usually free ( unless there is a big event at the Convention Center ). Feel free to bring friends and family. We are going to have a good time. Here are the notes and material that we will be covering. See you soon !


HAZMAT - NUKE CHEM BIO Prep on a Shoestring budget

Hazardous materials are those that may cause damage to life ( DNA ) at the present or in the future. Carcinogenic, mutagenic, teratogenic, central nervous system(neuro)/ liver/ kidney toxins can have wide ranging impact on our homeostasis. Ionizing radiation ( ALPHA/BETA/GAMMA), chemical and microbiological contamination of our physical space ( to include air /water/ food ) can cause slow CHRONIC or fast, high dose ACUTE exposures.
The four primary routes of exposure are1. Respiratory - breathing it 2. Absorption - flesh contact into the bloodstream 3. Ingestion - swallowed 4. injected - stabs and jabs

Most HAZMAT emergencies are very temporary, wind and water will dissipate most of the offending contaminates in relatively short order. Until then though, EVERY INVISIBLE DUST PARTICLE AND DROP OF WATER EMBODIES YOUR MORTAL ENEMY

SHELTERING IN PLACE - If there is a major HAZMAT emergency near your home then the Incident Commander of your Fire/Rescue Company may issue the order shelter in place orders, this will most likely be a relatively brief lockdown delivered to you via loud speakers on fire trucks. That said, YOU waiting for someone else's order to act may be a serious lapse in judgment ( fight/flight/freeze). It is better to be safe and silly looking than sorry and sick. Shut off your WATER, GAS and ELECTRIC utilities right away, especially for natural disasters like hurricanes, earthquakes and tornadoes. Practice this operation in your home before you need it. For the electricity shut down all of the individual breakers before shunting the main circut breaker. As a broad general rule you want to establish a space in your home/building that is centered and as low as you can go with solid support overtop of your family. Often this will be a basement. Pick a room that will suit your family needs the best. If possible consider a room with a bathroom attached.When creating a space that is insulated from NCB risks there are some very important considerations to ACT ON ahead of time:

FOOD AND WATER - for at least three days, 1 gallon per person per day is a sound standard. Two weeks is far more intelligent a plan. Also truly vital medications.

COMMUNICATION AND LIGHT - a radio / flashlight preferably one of the crank operated models. Keeping a police/fire/NOAA scanner is smart, smartphone apps are great for this too. Many affordable shortwave radios can pick up a wide range of international communications which can be a great way to stay informed. Cell phone backup battery chargers are easy to come by these days for little money.

SECURITY - there are no true substitutes for firearms if you want the ability to say "No!" to those who may wish to take ALL that you have to give.

AIR CONTROL - You must keep all windows and doors sealed. Lock them and if your instinct guides you to, reinforce them

Precut sheets of 3 mil plastic sheeting should be labeled by writing the window/door placement on a peice of duct tape afixed to them. This will minimize confusion and help to streamline the process. Wet towels can be rolled up an stuffed under doors to prevent airflow. Be sure to shut off any HVAC system and seal the ducts. Again you cannot have too much quality duct tape. As far as oxygen levels for breathing goes, the general rule for an average room : 10 square feet of floor space (2'x5') provides 5 hours of relaxed breathing time. In cold weather add tightly crumpled newspaper and lightweight fabrics into the dead airspace to lock in heat.

SANITATION - Basic hygiene must be maintained in order to fight off diseases that are common to our species. Alcohol in different forms such as 70-90% isopropyl, denatured, ethanol, etc are excellent to have on hand for disinfecting skin and surfaces but also as a cooking and heating fuel that WILL NOT CAUSE CARBON MONOXIDE POISONING when used in small spaces.

Baby wipes are cheap and have a long shelf life. The brushing of teeth ought not be overlooked, baking soda is great for teeth. Keeping bleach on hand is a good thing but beware of the fumes in tight spaces. Keep socks and underwear dry, feet and moist body areas wiped clean. Sores and skin infections can tear into you quickly.

Feces and urine management is crucial to any shelter in place planning. If your Grid's sewage system is intact then use your toilet normally. If the sewage system was damaged or is failing due to lack of humans on the job then you must not use it. You should consider opening the "cleanout trap" in the basement and stuffing clothes and blankets into the sewage line to prevent a backup of other people's dookie into your home through your sink drains. This measure can be easily undone after the crisis event. If there is no water supply coming from the Grid, then you can:

1. Shut off your water line at the main tap coming into your house, this prevents problems when the service is restored.

2. If your toilet is intact then wipe out the bowl with a disinfectant, line the bowl with garbage bag or small trash can bag. Double up to aviod spills.

If your toilet is not intact or is otherwise unreachable then use a camping potty or 5 gallon bucket with a simple seat lid which is sold for $ 10 at stores selling camping gear. Again use the bags as liners. Use the bags a few times but don't let them get too heavy. Lids are important here. Stock up on bags and toilet paper NOW !!

3. Sprinkle thoroughly with but neatly with powered lime ( found in garden supply retailers ) or Borax. Wood ash from a fireplace is also great for this job. Lime is caustic and can cause minor skin burns or irritations so be mindful of your dusting. This action will go a very long way to keeping microbe launched spores in check and reducing odor buildup.

4. Place used potty bag into a trashcan with a tight fitting lid. This should be lined with at least one 3mil contractor grade trash bag. Sprinkle it with lime, ash or Borax too as the bags pile up.

5. Depending on the length of time that the Grid is down, you may have to place these bags outside of your home. Beware of water and food proximity also consider animals ripping into them ( because they will if they can).

DECON - Decontamination made as simple and practical as can be in a Grid down or Grid teetering reality. In a space just outside of your safe room/clean zone there should be an intermediate space for cleanup, sort of like a mud room where you can stop and reduce your messiness before tracking it into the house. An individual or object can have the NUKE/CHEM/BIO hazards washed off of them simply by washing off the external suit ( or their skin suit if there was no protection for the individual that you wish to help) with a mild bleach/detergent/water solution. The person or object should be standing in a Rubbermaid tub or kiddie pool and be scrubbed by another person who is wearing some level of protective clothing, using a soft bristle brush and rinsed thoroughly. Microorganisms need to have at least 20 minutes of exposure to bleach water in order for them to be killed. The collected waste water should be disposed of away from your home, food and water supplies. Chlorine granules for swimming are ideal for keeping large quantities of bleach on hand. 2 teaspoon of chlorine powder added to 1 gallon of water makes 1 gallon of bleach. Use a spray bottle or pressure sprayer (type used for pesticides ) Dawn dish liquid is the preferred standard for an expedient detergent.

HAZMAT personal protective gear for a family on a shoestring budget:
Remember that there is no magic to this, you simply need to create a water and airtight fit around your body in order to deal with most HAZMAT troubles.

*Duct tape -The role of a good quality duct tape cannot be overstated here, especially if you are patching together your own suit in order to act within a contaminated area. The cheaper the tape the less reliable it will be. Air and water tight is the key here. Gloves, boots and seams.

*Gloves -They need only be water proof and bio/chemical resistant. Most latex and nitrile gloves will give adequate performance and can be worn under outergloves that give more mechanical protection. Latex/nitrile gloves are most functional and least cumbersome when they are worn one size down, for example if you think you wear a large, then try a medium. More tactile sensitivity and better grip come with this practice.

*Boots - Again, water tight and bio/chem resistant. Overboots are best. Simple pull on boots made of rubber will do for most incidents.


1. TYVEK / Nomex / PBI are near perfect choices for most applications. They can be found at first responder stores and online for as little as $7.

2. A second choice here is the most expensive chemical suit from Home Depot/Lowes. Costing about $15, it is a smart choice for many people.

3. A third but still viable selection would be a rain suit that you seal VERY WELL with duct tape.

*Masks -

1. Military specification aka MILSPEC whole face gas masks are ideal. These are commonly found with NATO standard threaded filters to allow interoperability. There are different MILSPECs for different nation states. US, European, Russian and Israeli are the most common and reliable as a general rule. Russian and Israeli masks are also made for civilians at a very low cost, the tradeoff being practical tactical advantages such as hydration tubes, rifle compatibility, voice boxes. Often found at gun shows, Army/Navy stores and through many online purveyors.

2. Second to MILSPEC whole face masks are chemical spray masks from Home Depot/Lowes, et al. These are the highest in price and quality available at these stores today ( $ 50-60 ). They do not give your eyes the protection that a whole face mask does so chemical spray goggles are also needed. One distinct advantage is the fact that if you choose to, you can go into a store RIGHT NOW and obtain them and their replacement filters.

3. A far distant third choice is an N95 or N100 particle mask, the sort worn just over the mouth and nose. It can trap many airborne pathogens and radioactive dust particles but it's lacking for several reasons. That said they are very cheap, easy to find and much better than nothing.


For nuclear emergencies the "hot" particles will fall out of the sky within a few to several hours and so after the maximum amount of air in your airtight shelter has been used ( your body will tell you ) then open a ventilation port or two near the top of your safe room. Trace amounts may make it in but the odds are in your favor at this point. Keep an eye on the news. A nuclear attack is unlikely to come out of the blue from an enemy nation. Such an attack would likely be preceded by a deteriorating political situation. A war with conventional weapons between nations that both have nuclear weapons, if not ended swiftly, may escalate towards nuclear war and even limited nuclear strikes in one region carry the likelihood to escalate towards an all-out nuclear war elsewhere.

However, an unconventional nuclear attack by terrorists could come without warning. Given the lack of a credible sovereign enemy, such attacks are unlikely to escalate to a full nuclear exchange. Many countries have a rating system to denote the imminence of attack.

In the USA and Canada, for example, you should know the DEFCON (DEFense CONdition) level:

DEFCON 5. Normal peacetime readiness

DEFCON 4. Normal increased readiness, increased intelligence and national security measures. (Cold War.)

DEFCON 3. Increased force readiness above normal, American radio call-signs are changed to classified call-signs. Air Force ready to mobilize in less than 15min.

DEFCON 2. Increase in force readiness, just below maximum. All forces ready to mobilize and deploy within 6hrs. (Declared only once during the Cuban Missile Crisis.)

DEFCON 1. Maximum force readiness; the use of nuclear weapons has been authorized. This has never been used for the national condition.

Fusion (H-Bombs), using the incredible heat of a fission bomb 'spark plug', compress and heat deuterium and tritium (isotopes of hydrogen) which fuse, releasing immense amounts of energy.

Fusion weapons are also known as thermonuclear weapons since high temperatures are required to fuse deuterium and tritium.

EMP Weapons. A nuclear weapon detonated at a very high altitude will generate an electromagnetic pulse so powerful that it can destroy electronic and electrical devices. Placing radios, flashlights in a SEALED metal container (a "Faraday cage") may protect from EMP, providing the items being protected are not in contact with the enclosure. The metal shield must surround the protected item completely - and it helps if it is grounded. The items to be protected should be insulated with plastic or cloth from the conductive shell, since the EMP field washing over the shield can still induce voltages in solid state circuit boards. One method is to wrap a cardboard box with copper, or aluminum foil. Place the item in there and plug the device into the ground. You may also use cookie tins and metal bulk ammo cans.

Seek shelter immediately. Aside from the geopolitical warning signs, your first warnings of an imminent nuclear attack will most likely be an alarm or warning signal, if not it will be the blast itself. The bright light from a detonation of a nuclear weapon can be seen tens of miles away from ground zero. If within the vicinity of the blast (or ground zero), your chances of survival are virtually nonexistent unless you are in a shelter that provides a very (VERY) good blast protection. If you are a few miles out, you will have about 10-15 seconds until the heat wave hits you, and maybe 20-30 seconds until the shockwave does. Under no circumstances should you look directly at the fireball. On a clear day, this can cause temporary blindness from very large distances. If you can't find shelter, seek a depressed area nearby and lay face down, exposing as little skin as possible. If there is no shelter of this kind, dig as fast as possible. Even around 5 miles you will suffer third degree thermal-burns; still at 20 miles the heat can burn the skin off your body. The wind itself will peak at around 600mph and will level anything or anybody caught in the open. Get indoors , this will, at least, provide some protection against radiation. Stay away from any windows, preferably be in a room without one. Even if the building does not suffer substantial damage, a nuclear explosion will blow out windows at enormous distances.

Remember: it's not the initial blast that creates the high death toll; it's radiation exposure.

There are two threats of radiation:

Initial (prompt) radiation. This is radiation released at the moment of detonation, and it is short-lived and travels short distances. With the large yields of modern nuclear weapons, it is thought that this will kill few who would not be killed by the blast or heat at the same distance. Residual radiation. Known as radiation fallout. If the detonation was a surface blast or the fireball hits the earth, large amounts of fallout occurs. The dust and debris kicked into the atmosphere rains down, bringing with it dangerous amounts of radiation. The fallout may rain down as contaminated black soot known as "black rain," which is very fatal and may be of extreme temperature. Fallout will contaminate anything it touches. Once you have survived the blast and the initial radiation (for now at least since radiation symptoms have an incubation period), you must find protection against the burning black soot.

Know the types of radiation :

1.Alpha particles: They will be fatal if ingested or inhaled. Standard clothing will help protect you from them, they are weak.

2. Beta particles: These are faster than Alpha particles and can penetrate further. They will travel for up to 10 yards before they are absorbed into the atmosphere. Exposure to beta particles is not fatal unless exposed for prolonged periods; which may cause "Beta burns," almost like painful sunburn. They pose a serious threat, however, to the eyes, should they be exposed for a prolonged period. Once again this is harmful if ingested or inhaled, and clothing will help prevent Beta burns.

3. Gamma Rays. Gamma Rays are the deadliest. They can travel for nearly a mile in the air and penetrate just about any kind of shielding.

Therefore gamma radiation will cause severe damage to the internal organs even as an external source. Sufficient shielding will be required.

A shelter's PF against radiation will tell you how many times less a person inside the shelter will receive radiation compared to open space. For example, RPF 300means that you will receive 300 times less radiation in the shelter than in the open. Avoid exposure to Gamma radiation. Try not to spend more than 5 minutes exposed. Begin reinforcing your shelter from the inside by stacking dirt around the walls or anything else you can find. If in a trench, then create a roof, but only if materials are nearby; don't expose yourself when not necessary. 3+ mil plastic sheeting or a tent will help stop fallout debris from piling on you,

though it will not stop Gamma rays. It is impossible to completely shield from all radiation. It can only be reduced to a tolerable level. DO NOT GET OUT FOR AT LEAST 48 HOURS.Use the following to help you determine the amount of material you'll need for your shelter to reduce radiation penetration to 1/1000:

Steel: 0.7 feet Rock: 2-3 ft Concrete: 2.2 ft Wood: 8.8 ft Soil: 3.3 ft Ice: 6.6 ft Snow: 20-22 ft Plan on staying in your shelter for a minimum of 200 hours (8-9 days). If these materials are not at hand then use every bit of mass you can get to cover the top and sides of your shelter.

Stacks of books, heavy furniture, dirt. The more mass the better. Also stock up on KI or K3 to fill your thyroid gland with iodine and help to stave off radiation sickness.
A former member
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A former member
Post #: 1
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