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The Rise of Neo-Fascism

Neo-fascism has been rising for years in Eastern Europe and also, some might argue, in countries such as China. This year has seen a shocking increase in neo-fascism in Great Britain and, heartbreakingly, the USA might soon be run by a fascist regime.

This is a very important time in our lives. We need to be cognizant of the mistakes of history. I'm asking that all attendees to read this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/10/21/how-fascist-is-donald-trump-theres-actually-a-formula-for-that

This article considers the question "How fascist is Trump?" and uses a formula to compute his score. The questions for attendees: Using this formula, do you think that Trump is more or less fascist than the author has figured? How much fascism should we tolerate in our society? And in other countries, where fascism also seems to be rising, how much fascism should be tolerate in our world?

Is there any solution to this rise of neo-fascism?

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  • A former member
    A former member

    I looked into it the first time you mentioned it, I know that Francisco Franco was the aggressor. Read between the lines means I don't believe Trump will carry through on all his promises and did what he did to be elected, like any politician.

    Yesterday

    • Tyler

      Sorry to see you left Frank, I've always enjoyed your insight and participation. William's comments are out of line. Hope you decide to rejoin one day.

      3 · Yesterday

    • Brandon N.

      Yeah I agree with Tyler. We don't tolerate members bullying other members here. Frank, if you do read this, we encourage you to re-join and we'll try to prevent this sort of bullying from happening.

      3 · Yesterday

  • John M.

    Sorry, I won't be able to make it. I didn't think I was getting in, so I made other plans.

    Yesterday

    • James

      I understand. If you are close to getting in, you will often get in, as many cancel in the last minute. If in doubt, post and someone can let you know better.

      Yesterday

  • A former member
    A former member

    I knew who the combatants were in the Spanish Civil War. I was not aware before of who started it.
    Trump I'd say sees every country as a competitor rather than an enemy. Reading between the lines, I'm betting he is going to be more moderate than people think.

    2 days ago

    • Tyler

      Yeah, don't attack people, or attribute motives to them. Having met Frank a few times, I'm pretty sure he's not a sleeper agent sowing misinformation. We try to maintain a civil tone here, and lots of views are welcome.

      3 · Yesterday

    • Brandon N.

      William Harris, your post was hostile and it looks like Frank left the group because of that. It doesn't work when people level personal attacks like that.

      Yesterday

  • A former member
    A former member

    Regarding one of Sessions comments about the NAACP and communists, seems like there is something to that.
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123771194

    Yesterday

  • A former member
    A former member

    Brandon, I have not read that list. I just saw some quotes attributed to Sessions (ABC News). Not good!

    1 · Yesterday

  • Nathaniel G.

    Sorry I can't go again, I have no ride, and my foot hasn't healed enough to drive yet. :( See you guys next time hopefully.

    2 days ago

    • Brandon N.

      Hi Nathaniel, I am offering to give you a ride. In what area do you live?

      2 days ago

  • Jason M.

    I agree a little with David’s post. I think the word fascism is being thrown around quite liberally as an ad-hominem attack. (Not even sure there is a solid definition of “neo-fascism”.) The definition is: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

    So far, I have seen little evidence of elevating race above the individual, centralized autocratic government (certainly no more centralized than democrats have pushed for), severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. The only part of the definition that fits so far is his pushing of a sense of nationalism. I think Trump has a lot of bad ideas, but let’s holster the “F” word for now.

    2 · 5 days ago

    • Terry

      GW's smoke screen was the good cop "compassionate conservative; DT's is the bad cop fascist.

      2 · 2 days ago

    • Josh

      Terry, damn well said. Actually sounds like a movie, 'Wag the Dog'.

      2 days ago

  • A former member
    A former member

    Harris, I wasn't trying to mislead anyone. I did not know what caused the civil war, I was only aware of the end result (Franco). I should have chosen my words more carefully when I said that they chose fascism. Franco "won" which is not the same thing. Yes the president framed the debat3

    1 · 2 days ago

    • william h.

      But your statement 'communist versus fascist' indicates that you knew of the cause, as false as it might be. Otherwise, yes, we are encountering a paradigm shift. Whereas Obama saw every country as different and negotiable, trump, paranoically, sees natural enemies.

      2 days ago

    • Josh

      Saw the WaPo article and was surprised they were that direct. Good for them.

      2 · 2 days ago

  • A former member
    A former member

    Yes the president framed the debate, which means he chose what questions we should be asking. Approximately half the electorate decided these weren't the right ones to ask.

    2 days ago

  • A former member
    A former member

    In the 1930's, Spain went through a civil war. The had to choose between fascists and communists, and they ended up choosing fascism (Francisco Franco). In 1959 Fidel Castro took over Cuba, and it became a communist country. After all this time, it appears the leftist has made a longer lasting impression than the fascist. Fascists appear to be inherent cults of personality, whereas leftist institutions tend to focus more on indoctrination (i.e. aggressively mold opinion rather than follow it. ) .
    Obama and his administration framed the debates of today and has effectively put Trump in office. We as a country need new questions, not new answers. To be successful, the Trump administration has to form it's own personality, rather than be a reaction against what Obama has/hasn't done.

    1 · 4 days ago

    • william h.

      Milera is absolutely wrong about Spain in 36-- or else he knows the truth and, as fascist, is lying. The government that was elected was mildly reformist, at best, and included a rainbow coalition of leftish tendencies. Communism only became an alternative after the elected government was attacked by Franco. In essence, said 'communist' government/coalition was a war government whose intent was to solicit aid from the USSR in the face of French, English, and amerikan neutrality. Franco was opposed to democracy long before the war. The smoking gun, so to speak, was a film he wrote and directed about two brothers who made opposing choices. Castro, too, became close to the USSR because of amerikan hostility.

      2 days ago

    • william h.

      It's moreover really dumb (an an amerikan) to assume that anyone who calls himself a 'communist' would have automatic sympathy with the USSR. At best, this indicates a lack of literacy--ostensibly an over-fondness for teevee....In any case, understanding history is to come to terms with directions of causal arrows not necessarily given by journalistic accounts. Otherwise, I have no idea what he means by Obama having framed debates that put a moron in office. Rather, isn't it the job of the president to frame debate? Lastly, to say that the Spanish people 'chose' fascism and franco are the words of a total loon, perhaps agenda -driven, as well.

      2 days ago

  • A former member
    A former member

    Speaking of NeoFacism, shouldn't we be looking at China as well?

    2 days ago

    • Brandon N.

      Yes that would be appropriate since they pivoted from communism to a certain type of neo-fascism in recent decades

      2 days ago

    • william h.

      Never had a democracy to overthrow, it would seem somewhat redundant.

      2 days ago

  • Josh

    This is what makes me throw up. The Congress is going to either ignore direct violations of its own constitution or change its own rules regarding that document simply to allow this jerk to take office. This means essentially that impeachment of any future President is no longer viable because this will set that precedent. I literally cannot stomach that. This is called electing a King or a dictator, and the Congress is fine with that as is the middle of the country as are the wealthy in this country. It doesn't mean being fucked. It is far worse that that. It means losing losing any sense of who we are as Americans. And we don't care enough about that sense to Storm the Bastille, to follow the lead of Guy Fawkes. That is a sickening feeling.

    2 days ago

    • Brandon N.

      I think what we should do is to insist on mass protests starting the day before inauguration day, regardless of the lack of *permits* and if there are enough of us and we hold our ground in the vital parts of DC then they won't be able to proceed with the whole thing, at least not in public.

      2 days ago

  • Josh

    The very issue I spoke of earlier that is only barely addressed in the write up I posted yesterday. The question of proportional voting in the EC rather than winner take all. Here is a perspective from multiple academics: http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/40725-focus-hillary-clinton-does-have-a-viable-legal-challenge-to-the-electoral-college-system The problem with the current, winner-take-all system is that it literally disenfranchises the opposing side -- their votes are tossed because the other side won by 1 vote. That is a violation of the one-person, one vote mandate in our constitution. Proportional voting in the EC would correct this issue.

    3 days ago

    • Pat H.

      "Developers learned . . . " I'm already a little cynical on this one. Especially because I know something about people in this regard and this is reinforced by a statement that we may be nearing another RE bubble (there's no learning).

      2 days ago

    • Pat H.

      With regard to your comment" prices would not increase if people did not have money to pay those increased prices." "More than 9.3 million homeowners went through a foreclosure, surrendered their home to a lender or sold their home via a distress sale between 2006 and 2014. Of those, about 2.5 million either have already jumped back into the housing market or will do so within the next eight years because they have the financial ability to purchase and are eligible for a mortgage, according to the Realtor group. Most of the rest won’t be eligible to borrow or won’t have the desire to buy again, the analysis found. ~http://www.wsj.com/ar...

      2 days ago

  • Pat H.

    Interestingly, we much more readily see the faults in others (individuals) than we do in ourselves. I think this is true collectively as well; we see the faults in other countries much more readily than our own, and this is understandable as we are taught, and believe, particular ways. As has been pointed out in another post, we are acclimated (enculturated). So, this is natural.
    I think one can see in retrospect that the US is no better in terms of corruption and exploitation than the other countries. In fact, our history suggests we may be worse. But the corruption isn't as blatant. Consider that while our predecessors were slogging through mud, snow and bugs during the Revolution, there were people getting rich exploiting the needs of the military.

    2 days ago

    • Pat H.

      continuing: What we live with now is just more subtle; more sinister. At least in other countries it may be that you know who your enemy is and what they want. In the past I had wondered why the US would choose to ignore mass humanitarian crises; it's because the US is no different. We just have our problems on a different level, more difficult to combat in some respects (such as what we've been discussing).

      2 days ago

  • A former member
    A former member

    These are times I wish I had the perspective of a foreigner to judge what happened in the USA. All I can see is that Hillary was called on her questionable practices and Trump was called out on his character flaws.

    2 days ago

  • Josh

    We have done it to other countries multiple times. Now, we taste our own bitter medicine. The Russians essentially staged a furtive coup on us to install the guy they wanted. A Manchurian Candidate if there ever was one. https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-adk-adk_sbnt&hsimp=yhs-adk_sbnt&hspart=adk&p=ovberwhelming+evidence+of+russian+involvement#id=0&vid=567db9b847453ce8e38c204fd12e0977&action=click

    1 · 2 days ago

    • Brandon N.

      Iran circa 1952, Chile circa 1972, Congo/Zaire circa 1965...I know there are others, help me out here

      2 days ago

    • Josh

      Iraq 1954, Chile was 1973, Vietnam 1962, Phillippines 1950, Too many others to count.

      2 days ago

  • Deb

    Same problem existed on AOL:
    Message board posts, including mine,
    made unwarranted assumptions. Ex.:
    Posting about WWI & WWII & taken
    to task by war veterans for being,
    "Armchair warriors". Respectfully
    noted. Point? We cannot know/predict
    what Trump will do. FYI: Hillary &
    Trump BOTH lied & were mud
    slinging. What we need is to clean up
    our nasty election process, overtaken
    by such discouraging/ruthless tactics.
    Voters deserved better.

    3 days ago

  • Brandon N.

    Since there are a few on the wait list, I suggest we break this into 2 groups. I know this didn't always work when we tried this before, but I figure we will probably have 25 or more who want to attend by Friday evening. We just need someone to be host for the other event.

    5 days ago

    • David J.

      I believe the second discussion group would be inferior, due to the nature of late sign ups. Those that are intensely interested and knowledgeable are committed early. There have been serious exceptions to this that I have experienced. Notably the discussion that ended up getting Christie banned and the Forum: Politics and Philosophy got started. The Second meetup at Kupros was fantastic.

      3 days ago

    • David J.

      Two groups of nine would be better for the majority to share. Like the American Electorit, I don't know that I want to hear most people. But that said, I learn from everyone and most of all our right wing nut jobs.

      3 days ago

  • Josh

    A link sent to me by the founder of the Hamilton Elector FB group who is actively reaching out to all the electors to discuss what they should do in two weeks: http://www.fec.gov/pdf/eleccoll.pdf The link is to a fascinating history of the multitude of changes Congress has been forced to make to the EC over the decades, most of which were in the 19th Century as the young country grew and developed. The initial EC did not account for political parties because the framers hoped that they wouldn't form. The formed anyway fast enough and caused so many problems and corruption that Congress had to amend not only the EC but also the Constitution (12th Amendment) quickly. There was one election back then that resembles this one. Fascinating.

    3 days ago

  • Josh

    Also has any one noticed how ITs thank you tour is pure salesmanship? It is a brilliant idea except he has to repeat the same lies he told during the campaign to keep them applauding. He has already announced that he is keeping NAFTA, the very program that sold their jobs overseas yet he goes out to them to say he is going to shake things up so much. They soak it up like the cult followers they are not listening or paying attention to anything he actually does. As a politician, it doesn't get better than that.

    4 days ago

  • David J.

    Wow, So now the F-word. As I think about what is going on, I find putting it in the Fascist Box to be misleading. There are many world views and models to use to help understand the patterns of human behavior and beliefs. Fascism is an old world with emotional biases and historical distortions. I would like to hear more, but I am more interested in action than words. There are also many ideas being floated around on the internet and media, and this is working against us. We do not have the luxuriousness of time on our side to ponder all the options. With this meeting we will be discussion neo-Fascism. I will upload to the discussion page an idea I have about actions that can be taken. I would like feedback.

    1 · 5 days ago

    • David J.

      Josh, You proclaim that I am a rebel and then proclaim that i am not. Lousy start. I am not buying the label shortcut. Either with your balling me or labeling Trump. It is in the nature of intellectual thought processes to question labels and deconstruct them to their essence. I have been doing that far before the election, when I was using this observation of DT to make sense of what I was seeing. I found that many labels were being used in description of DT. Many of which were accurate, but none of which would have any meaning to Trump supporters. They simply do not know what a Narcissist is or a Misogynist, or authoritarian masculine, or many of the other words mean. But they do like powerful people that articulate on their behalf. Since they are impotent to speak for themselves, they ban together in gang mentality. Don't tell me what role i should be playing. You loose on all fronts. I need you to do better.

      4 days ago

    • David J.

      Brandon, I think it more useful to notice DT as an authoritarian or in psychodynamics of Rescuer, Prosecutor, or Victime roles when observing his behavior and the relationship he orchestrates with his followers. He switches and plays them all and his followers are just as unaware of how he manipulates them as he is unaware of how it creates more violence than it creates Unity. He expects complience after the election and so do his followers. These patterns of domesic violence carry through into business and civic relationships until the victimes wake up and see the role they play. They, at first welcome the rescuer, the strong man that promises to save them, until they take responsibility for their own situation and empower themselves to make progress on their own. The old world view is to use old economic or political terminology to discribe the situations and the human patterns get lost and therefore the solutions are invisible.

      4 days ago

  • Deb

    Oops....last post this a.m. was for
    Josh.

    4 days ago

  • Deb

    No matter your political preference,
    thank u 4 the thoughtful response. But
    unfamiliar w/young people's use of,
    "the chill", or, "chill". Alas, AOL last
    social networking foray. Been
    informed that if I did these days? My
    political dialogue must be more up to
    speed, so alogorithyms will like me
    better.

    Have light-hearted day,
    Deb

    4 days ago

  • Josh

    Has anybody noticed that each day Trump looks more like Clinton from a policy point of view? I kind of expect him to turn tail on the oil and gas thing as well. I have to give the boy credit. He knew how to get into office: you lie your way in by telling the people what they want to hear. He knew Clinton was smarter but also knew she would lose because she told the truth. People don't like hearing truth. They prefer Disneyland. Now that his in, the truth comes out, and most of it is Clinton's voice. Ain't that funny.

    2 · 5 days ago

  • Deb

    Dad was German (me, only 1/2) &
    upset him what Hitler did to the
    Jewish people via his Navy stint,
    WWII.
    However, dad was from the deep
    South & held racist views. Yes, I took
    dad to task/intolerant of such
    dialogue. Shouldn't condone such
    behavior, clearly. Point? Dad would
    shut up & despite his upbringing?
    Was, more than not, a very loving
    father. So perhaps Trump's roar is
    worse than his bite as well? Whatever
    the real deal, who voted for/against
    Trump is a mute issue. The man's our
    President. So why not reserve
    judgement until he's in office/we can
    see what he's capable of? Believe
    majority of flawed humans like myself
    would appreciate the same
    consideration/treatment.    

    5 days ago

    • Terry

      Read this if you want to feel an icy wind blow through you: http://www.slate.com/...­

      2 · 5 days ago

    • Josh

      Nice comparison, and thanks for the chill.

      1 · 5 days ago

  • Terry

    Here are a few treats for Trump apologists:

    Video at a Trump rally: http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004533191/unfiltered-voices-from-donald-trumps-crowds.html

    This one I already posted but got lost below--Slate talking about?: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2016/11/his_election_that_november_came_as_a_surprise.html

    Great book about the rise of mass movements. I will be giving my copy away at this group’s holiday party: https://www.amazon.com/True-Believer-Thoughts-Movements-Perennial/dp/0060505915

    1 · 5 days ago

  • Deb

    Missed the fact dad served WWII &
    he was AGAINST Hitler.
    More to the point, Trump is no Hitler.
    There was only one Hitler and he
    made Neo-fascism look fashionable.
    Worse, in that his insane brilliance
    took advantage of poverty/depression
    akin to a skilled surgeon: Charismatic,
    persuasive orator (note: Why following
    group/sheep off proverbial cliff is so
    dangerous/disturbing:                          
    http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar
    2/riseofhitler/begins.htm ).
    Bottom line? Election cycles have
    been nasty for some time. So we
    won't know what Trump is capable of,
    good or bad, until he's in office.

    5 days ago

  • Kathy S.

    I will be at the anti fascism rally...

    1 · 5 days ago

  • Todd n.

    More resources for the discussion on the wave of hate crimes and rise in neo-fascist group membership in studies by the SPLC https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2016/year-hate-and-extremism

    5 days ago

  • Linda H.

    Just to clarify: I know the difference between Fascism and Neo-Nazism but I think they have similar roots and are closely tied.

    1 · 6 days ago

  • Linda H.

    Cannot join this discussion as I have other commitments; but I want to remind people that Neo-Nazism is a global issue. See this report on clashes in Sweden from just three weeks ago:
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/731638/Sweden-Stockholm-neo-Nazi-far-right-protests-anti-fascist-violence

    2 · 6 days ago

  • Josh

    As an aside, I am also pretty convinced that the Elect does not care enough about the people in this country to be fascist. I think he is so self-absorbed that he will make an ass out of himself dealing with any policy issue, but I really don't think he will care much about that either. The only thing that matters to him is what benefits him. To be fascist, you kind of need to want to control everything. He is a micromanager for sure, but I don't think he cares enough about the country to want to control it. I think he would rather delegate everything and head to New York for a play. Whatever happens happens. His first year will certainly resemble Ws first year when he didn't give a damn and Cheney ran the show.

    December 3

    • David J.

      Chad's, provide very good opportunities for us.

      1 · 6 days ago

    • Josh

      David, your second sentence had me in stitches. I like Chad as a person, bright young boy. To think all that talent was wasted on the wrong side of the tracks is sad. I kid, I kid. My poysonal gripe (in my best Bernie accent - Go Brooklyn baby!) against his Faulkneresque diatribes is that regardless of the point made, either side is more concerned with being right than with listening to the opposing side. That has been the case with many arguments in this group. Thus I prefer not to read them. He has also expressed some rather extreme white supremacist views to me in the past (obviously that I viewed that way, he would disagree of course) so it just becomes a he said/she said which is not very constructive. Kind of like how the country is split between the coasts and the midsection. At this point, it looks more like 1850 than 2016. There are articles I have not posted because of that reason that were actually very interesting.

      1 · 6 days ago

  • Josh

    He is a first rate narcissist but not a megalomaniac. Of course neither will do us any good,

    December 3

    • Josh

      As for Chad's commentary, I wouldn't waste your time. Remember, when talking to those who have imbibed the Kool Aid, you will only get certain responses in return. I am going to find an old video where IT predicts his electoral win because of the stupidity of those voters. Its an old video but they still won't listen.

      2 · December 4

    • David J.

      No offence meant to Mr. T. I have not seen him in years. I Thought the comical character with gold chains and wild hair would benefit from the Trump branding. Sorry to maline his memory.

      6 days ago

  • Chad

    I will commence in the replies to this comment to provide my list of frustrations and/or arguments against the list in the article provided by Brandon. I find the labelling of Trump as a fascist and this entire trend toward ATTEMPTING TO label the recent political changes as "neo-fascism" to be abhorent, disgusting, dishonest, and downright fear-mongering, no more and no less. It genuinely disgusts me, and seeing the pure, clear, and obvious hatred in person at the meetup yesterday, makes me wary about coming back to another. The only hate-mongering and baseless fear-mongering I've seen this election is by people OPPOSED to Trump. I've never been so afraid to speak openly in my life. And the title of this very meetup says it all. Disreputable.

    1 · November 27

    • James

      Todd, there has been much left wing violence, including some of the violent, anti-war activists of the 60s and 70s, the Earth Liberation Front, the Animal Liberation Front, and other left-wing, anti-government types. http://www.start.umd....­

      1 · December 4

    • James

      I am not diminishing the role of right-wing extremists.

      December 4

  • Josh

    I saw that same article or at least its points in a FB posting months ago and of course reposted it knowing that no one would read it. Back then, no one would allow themselves to consider any candidate for President to be fascist because that just didn't happen here. It was spurious logic to say the least but that is the fog we all live in on a daily basis. To Todd's point that fascists require a militarization outside the national boundaries, I suggest a revisiting of Franco's Spain who did none of that. Fascism is simply a police state of overwhelming govt control. We don't have that yet, but that doesn't mean that the Elect can't think along those lines. German fascism included white supremacy and we already have that burgeoning in the halls of power. That, according to the Associated Press. That still doesn't mean we have fascism or even a fascist leader, but it is clear the opportunity is there. And btw, heir fuhrer didn't monopolize power in his first months either.

    1 · December 3

  • Todd n.

    That article misses quite a bit from fascism and I doubt any people who embrace fascism would identify with those elements. In particular fascism is a revolutionary ideology that wants to smash the present order and construct a new one, uses organized paramilitary violence outside the state, and that seeks to use a powerful centralized state to concentrate wealth and social control. I think it might be more productive if we look at what those groups stood for and then debate why they've started to grow, where the power brokers fall in that situation, etc.

    December 3

  • Todd n.

    The rise of neo-fascism is distinct from Trump than some neo-fascists did support his candidacy. This report by the FBI on right wing extremists is worth looking at. It's from the early 2000s, but many of the things they said about neo-fascists did expand and increase with the financial crisis. https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states

    December 3

  • James

    Any location???

    November 28

    • James

      Worth a try!

      November 29

    • Brandon N.

      Correction: Identity Coffee is on 28th st. See above for the full address

      1 · November 30

  • Chad

    On the passing of Fidel Castro:

    "The world marks the passing of a brutal dictator who oppressed his own people for nearly six decades," Trump said in a statement issued hours after Castro's death. "Fidel Castro’s legacy is one of firing squads, theft, unimaginable suffering, poverty and the denial of fundamental human rights."
    https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/94469240/?client=ms-android-verizon


    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-26/trump-obama-have-very-different-responses-to-castro-s-death

    1 · November 26

    • James

      Chad, it is apparent you did NOT read Obama's words about Castro. They were not kind in the least, but they were diplomatic. As we reach out to Cubans, to build a better future together, diplomacy is important. I heartily urge you to really read Obama's entire words - and not some summary by a right wing source. Presidents have long found that diplomacy works much more effectively than bluster. Remember Reagan backing down on his "evil empire" claim and the USSR? Please, read Obama's actual words and cite where he was kind to Castro. https://www.whitehouse...­

      3 · November 27

    • James

      The softening of sanctions is something that American businesses long sought. The only force that opposed that were Cuban exiles. Keep in mind that they do not consider themselves Americans, but Cubans-in-exile, so their loyalties lie elsewhere. With nearly every other country in the world trading with Cuba, our sanctions were meaningless. American businesses long knew this and long pressured Washington to relax the sanctions. Obama was the first president with the guts to do so. By the way, Trump encouraged that before.

      November 27

  • Nathaniel G.

    Damn man, Trump is pretty freaking fascist according to that article. That is sad and very scary. :(

    1 · November 24

    • Chad

      Why is MC no longer a member, Brandon?

      November 27

    • Brandon N.

      I just got a notification that MC left the group. Why did she leave? That's a good question. She was always in the "Never Trump" camp so I doubt it was because of my last comment. You might be able to send her a private message and ask her.

      2 · November 27

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