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Joint Meetup 62: "Do We Get The Leaders We Deserve?"
St. Paul Interfaith Network (SPIN) is again inviting the theists, atheists, liberals, & conservatives of Secular Bible Study (SBS), Circle of Ijtihad (COI) & First Minneapolis Circle of Reason (FMCOR) to jointly dialogue with SPIN's "Inter-Belief Conversation Cafe" (ICC). What ICC host Steve Miller & SBS/COI/FMCOR organizer Frank Burton say about "Do We Get the Leaders We Deserve?": Deuteronomy 32:5: "But you are unfaithful, unworthy to be his people, a sinful and deceitful nation." Quran 2:258: "Allah guides not the unjust people." Humanist Manifesto II: "We are responsible for what we are and for what we will be." Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms: "We must now establish the basic principles, the basic values and beliefs which hold us together as Canadians so that beyond our regional loyalties there is a way of life and a system of values which make us proud of the country that has given us such freedom and such immeasurable joy." The Rolling Stones tell us that, “You can’t always get what you want. But if you try sometimes you might find, you get what you need.” Do we get leaders we need and do we deserve them? Did we need and deserve Barack Obama? Do we need and deserve Donald Trump? Are all of us so deserving or just their fervent supporters? In a divided electorate is the consequence polarizing figures whose tweets or polished eloquence are relished by one half of the people and deplored by the other? Are we constantly choosing between the lesser of two evils rather than the better of two respected candidates? How did things get this way and how can we change them? Are we envious of the leaders that other countries have? Do we gaze wistfully at Justin Trudeau of Canada, Emile Macron of France, and Angela Merkel of Germany? Don’t they have detractors in their own nations? Do they reflect a more homogenous, more responsible, and even saner body politic? In the slogan, “Vox populi, vox dei” the voice of the people is the voice of God. What is God looking like in modern America? Are we selfishly seeking benefits from government rather than making sacrifices for the common good? Is unity only possible for the Greatest Generation during time of economic hardship and war or during that moment of togetherness after 9/11? What is broken and can it be fixed? Are we looking for leadership in the wrong places? Don’t Pope Francis and the Dalai Lama show us that good leaders are out there? Wasn’t Martin Luther King, Jr. a more serious leader than John F. Kennedy or Lyndon Johnson? Is politics a dead end and ethical or spiritual leadership what gives us purpose and meaning? Do our moral leaders sometimes fail us? Martin Luther King had affairs; Pope Francis is accused of turning a blind eye to child-abuser priests. Do we want perfect individuals as leaders or is it better to have flawed ones who might have compassion for imperfect followers? Are leaders superfluous? Should we concentrate on cultivating our own gardens and not focus on the mansions of power? To be better parents, children, siblings, neighbors, and dwellers on the planet should we lead or be led? Are leaders the scapegoats when families, neighborhoods, and communities fail in the duty of creating a loving, moral, and responsible society? Do we get the leaders we deserve because we are not the leaders that we should be? On Monday, March 19 from 7-9 PM at Interfaith Action of Greater St. Paul, 1671 Summit Avenue (corner of Summit & Pierce), St. Paul, Inter-belief Conversation Café will join Secular Bible Study, First Minneapolis Circle of Reason, and Circle of Ijtihad Meetup groups to attempt to find the path to governance -- or maybe to a little less chaos. Agreements of open-mindedness, acceptance, curiosity, discovery, sincerity, brevity, and confidentiality will hopefully be our reasoning interbelief dialogue's guiding light. But even those of us among the "deplorables" or "losers" will get treats! RSVP "Yes" today, to "Do We Get the Leaders We Deserve?"

Interfaith Action for Greater St. Paul

1671 Summit Avenue · St. Paul, MN

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Secular Bible Study is a joint effort between religious believers and atheists in the Twin Cities to study and discuss the Bible and Religion -- not to engender any specific religious or non-religious view, but to explore their historical context, societal impact and cultural relevance. SBS invites expert speakers to lecture on particular topics and lead discussions; and facilitates respectful and constructive reasoning dialogues between people of many different (or no) beliefs, providing the opportunity for folks who may deeply disagree to build relationships with one another.

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