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Yellowstone
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YOWUSA.COM, 5-October-03
Dave Wright

In this YOWUSA exclusive telephone interview with former USGS geologist Jim Berkland, Mr. Berkland discusses eruption harbingers and political motives concerning keeping the public informed on the increased Yellowstone activities. He runs the popular www.syzgyjob.org earthquake prediction web site, was a USGS geologist for six years and worked for the Department of the Interior for more than ten years.

Why the USGS Hates Berkland
When it comes to what is currently happening at Yellowstone, Berkland immediately emphasizes two things. First, the USGS is politically constrained from sounding an early warning. Second, independent observers need to monitor large animals and to be especially sure to “watch the Buffalo.”

Berkland has a much stronger track record than the USGS, including his incredibly accurate prediction of the World Series quake of 1989 that plowed through the San Francisco Bay Area. What he has to say about Yellowstone may be equally prophetic, given that is his predictions of earthquakes have a 75% or better accuracy rate. He relies primarily on tides and abnormal animal behavior.

Because of his accuracy in earthquake predictions, the scientific community, including the USGS, has called him a “clown,” according to Berkland. However, the large following of people who religiously visit his site and post on his message boards will tell you that this man is not a “clown” but an open-minded scientist. Instead of depending upon data produced by manmade devices, he also relies on the time-proven signs of Mother Nature for predicting earthquakes and, quite possibly, volcano eruptions as well.

Jim Berkland (Geologist)
Interview, 1-October-2003

During the interview, Berkland recalled when he worked as a laboratory and field-worker throughout the western United States, including Alaska,for the USGS. He said, “I had a good job with the USGS until I began to predict earthquakes.” According to Berkland, “The USGS did not appreciate me very much after my earthquake predictions became more accurate then their own. Especially when I correctly predicted the 1989 World Series earthquake that occurred in San Francisco, California.”

Exploring Earth, 17-October-1989
Where was the earthquake?

On October 17, 1989 at 5:04 P.M., a major earthquake struck the San Francisco Bay area. The earthquake was nicknamed the World Series Earthquake because it occurred just before a World Series baseball game was scheduled to begin in Candlestick Park. Millions of people witnessed the motion of the earthquake on television. Sixty-seven people lost their lives, and property damage was estimated at $6 billion.

Berkland said that, “The USGS was pressured by the politicians in San Francisco and in the surrounding areas to fire him or to have him stop predicting earthquakes.” Needless to say, and unfortunate for the USGS, Berkland no longer works with them.

BERKLAND — “The first tell tale signs that an eruption
is going to occur have already begun.”
The interview then turned to the increased activity in the Yellowstone area. When asked about Yellowstone, Berkland said that, “The area is more active than what is being reported by the USGS and other local news groups.” Berkland also mentioned that his area of knowledge is Long Valley, California (Mammoth Mountain), but when he began to receive information through his website about Yellowstone, he began to collect data from the Yellowstone area immediately.

When asked what would be the first signs of an eruption in Yellowstone, Berkland said, “The first tell tale signs that an eruption is going to occur have already begun. The signs are increased seismic activity, increased geothermal activity and ground temperatures rising above normal levels.”

UUSS,1-October-2003
UUSS Webicorder (Seismogram) Displays, Yellowstone Region

When the Buffalo Run… Run!
Berkland warned, “The final sign that will tell everyone that an eruption, or for that matter an earthquake is imminent, is when the animals of the local area begin to act in a confused and scared manner.” According to his prediction theory, animals will begin to run in different directions, not knowing where to run to, because the magnetic field that the earth normally produces in the area becomes distorted due to the increased activity and pressures building below ground.

He summed it up this way, “all animals have some level of ability to use the earth’s magnetic field for navigation (like birds and whales.) So, if the buffalo, deer and any animal in the area begin to leave the area then that would be the last sign before an eruption and/or earthquake occurs.”

Is There Something More
Than Buffalo and Deer?
While ground sensors can give the USGS one kind of data, overhead satellites can reveal much more. They show the USGS a broader, systemic view of what is happening, and according to Berkland, "the USGS probably has the data for Yellowstone (from satellites and other sources) on hand, but because of political pressures within and without, the USGS has not made the information public."

This is a bothersome fact because according to Berkland, “The USGS has the ability to monitor Yellowstone and other volcanoes in the world from space with satellite radar interferometry technology, to watch the ground rise, fall and morph around volcanoes and other volcanically active areas.”

While the average American can freely access seismic recordings on the USGS web site, they cannot access the information that is pouring in from these taxpayer funded satellites, and this kind of data is consequential, as recent news reports about this technology demonstrate.

Space.com, 7-August-2001
Super Volcanoes: Satellites Eye Deadly Hot Spots

The latest eruption of Mt. Etna in Sicily, which has destroyed a few buildings, shut down the airport and crept into a ski area, produces dramatic nighttime video of hot rolling lava and explosive fireworks. But compared to the known history of volcanoes and even its own past, Etna's 2001 pyrotechnic show is so far geologically pathetic.

Likewise, the eruption of Mt. St. Helens in 1980 was a volcanic sneeze compared to what scientists say America will experience one day. And a mysterious four-inch -high bulge in the ground of central Oregon is, so far, little more than a conversation piece.
Don L.
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The world will end in 2012 say experts
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The world will end in 2012, say experts
Several experts from across the globe are predicting that the earth is likely to end by the year 2012. The reason could be a human effect or natural disaster. From Chinese theories to scientific predictions the most likely date is the year 2012.
CJ: Dr. Archana. A. Dethe , 14 Aug 2008 Views:30910 Comments:132
SCIENTIFIC EXPERTS from around the world are predicting that five years from now, all life on Earth could well come to an end. Some are saying it’ll be humans that would set it off. Others believe that a natural phenomenon will be the cause. And the religious folks are saying it’ll be God himself who would press the stop button. The following are some likely arguments as to why the world would end by the year 2012.

Reason one: Mayan calendar

The first to predict 2012 as the end of the world were the Mayans, a bloodthirsty race that were good at two things -- building highly accurate astrological equipment out of stone and sacrificing virgins.

Thousands of years ago they managed to calculate the length of the lunar moon as 329.53020 days, only 34 seconds out. The Mayan calendar predicts that the earth will end on December 21, 2012. Given that they were pretty close to the mark with the lunar cycle, it’s likely they’ve got the end of the world right as well.

Reason two: Sun storms

Solar experts from around the world monitoring the sun have made a startling discovery. Our sun is in a bit of strife. The energy output of the sun is, like most things in nature, cyclic and it’s supposed to be in the middle of a period of relative stability. However, recent solar storms have been bombarding the earth with lot of radiation energy. It’s been knocking out power grids and destroying satellites. This activity is predicted to get worse and calculations suggest it’ll reach its deadly peak sometime in 2012.

Reason three: The atom smasher

Scientists in Europe have been building the world’s largest particle accelerator. Basically, its a 27 km tunnel designed to smash atoms together to find out what makes the universe tick. However, the mega-gadget has caused serious concern, with some scientists suggesting that it’s properly even a bad idea to turn it on in the first place. They’re predicting all manner of deadly results, including mini black holes. So when this machine is fired up for its first serious experiment in 2012, the world could be crushed into a super-dense blob the size of a basketball.

Reason four: The Bible says it

If having scientists warning us about the end of the world isn’t bad enough, religious folks are getting in on the act as well. Interpretations of the Christian Bible reveal that the date for Armageddon, the final battle between good an evil, has been set for 2012. The I Ching, also known as the Chinese Book of Changes, says the same thing, as do various sections of the Hindu teachings.

Reason five: Super volcano

Yellowstone National Park in United States is famous for its thermal springs and old faithful geyser. The reason for this is simple -- it’s sitting on top of the world’s biggest volcano and geological experts are beginning to get nervous sweats. The Yellowstone volcano has a pattern of erupting every 650,000 years or so, and we’re many years overdue for an explosion that will fill the atmosphere with ash, blocking the sun and plunging the earth into a frozen winter that could last up to 15,000 years. The pressure under the Yellowstone is building steadily, and geologists have set 2012 as a likely date for the big bang.

Reason six: The physicists

This one’s case of bog -- simple maths mathematics. Physicists at Berkely University have been crunching the numbers. They’ve determined that the earth is well overdue for a major catastrophic event. Even worse, they’re claiming that their calculations prove that we’re all going to die, very soon. They are also saying that their prediction comes with a certainty of 99 per cent; and 2012 just happens to be the best guess as to when it occurs.
Don L.
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2012
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There are over 335,000,000 entries under Google for this date. Please check out some of them before the meeting. It's the most significant date in the history of the world. You need to know this information. My suggestion would be to build a fallout shelter and stock up on canned goods. It's going to be a long and bumpy ride.

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The plan is to discuss the significance of the date. Why Dec 12, 2012? There is in fact a lot of hits on Google and ALL of the claims cannot be discussed at one meeting of skeptics. Let's concentrate on the evidence that seems to indicate to the believers that the date has significance over all other possible dates. Hint: you might want to become knowledgeable on the Mayan Calendar...apparently it is the foundation.

As skeptics we should be able to have a reasonable discussion of the evidence (or lack of evidence). Let's get together and flex those skeptical muscles.

Don

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Bad Bet.

Betting that the world is going to end on December 21, 2012 at 11:11 am is not a wager I would want to make. If you are wagering that the world will end on that date, you either lose the world, or lose the money. Whereas, taking the bet means you have nothing to lose. If you are wrong and the world ends, you will be dead and not have to pay up. If you are right... free money. That's some kind of a bad bet! It's kind of a Pascal's Wager in reverse.

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Right. I'll bet $100,000 that the world will NOT end on that date--I'll be happy to pay $100,000 if it does...

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I already bet Nate $5000 that it will end on 12/21/12 and fully intend to pay up if it doesn't. There will be survivors but the bet is that the poles will shift and there will be massive global loss of life and property. A lot of people are reading books on survival right now, couldn't hurt. Build a basement or fallout shelter.

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It turns out that there is some significance to 2012. It is when the Internet is predicted to run out of 32-bit addresses (IPv4)! Although a system of 128-bit addresses (IPv6) has been in place for a decade, adoption has been slow (in the US at least).

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Yesterday, I prepared a response...and lost it. Perhaps it was a sign? In any case, here it is in a nutshell. Show me where the Mayans had superior knowledge about earth science and I might believe that they had some insight into the end of civilization. As far as I can determine, they were a primitive people that believed the earth was created by mythical beasts around 3000 BCE.

What we see happening is called "confirmation bias".

Confirmation bias refers to a type of selective thinking whereby one tends to notice and to look for what confirms one's beliefs, and to ignore, not look for, or undervalue the relevance of what contradicts one's beliefs. LINK

Somehow, someone got in their mind that the year 2012 is significant. I believe it comes from the Mayan calendar but let me know if there is another source and I'll look into that.

So someone has determined that 2012 is significant and now every thing that has the possibility of creating a calamity for mankind in the future has a due date. The Wyoming caldera, the star alignment, the corona mass ejections from the sun, the magnetic pole shift, and even the earth perturbation...all things that could happen in the future...now have a date and that date was derived from a civilization of primitives that was wiped out by another tribe of primitives thousands of years ago.

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I already bet Nate $5000 that it will end on 12/21/12 and fully intend to pay up if it doesn't. There will be survivors but the bet is that the poles will shift and there will be massive global loss of life and property. A lot of people are reading books on survival right now, couldn't hurt. Build a basement or fallout shelter.

Marylynn: This claim is discussed in the current (September/October 2008) issue of _The Skeptical Inquirer_ in the article "The Myth of Nibiru and the End of the World in 2012" by David Morrison, Senior Scientist at the NASA Astrobiology Institute. He quotes many of the questions he's received on this subject from the public to the NASA website, "Ask an Astrobiologist," along with his answers and commentary.

I suggest checking it out.

He notes that Nibiru does not exist, most of the claims about it don't even make sense, neither the rotational poles nor magnetic poles are about to shift (the earth's magnetic field does periodically flip, but it doesn't have catastrophic effects when it does), and that lots of people are making this claim despite a total lack of evidence to support it.
Don L.
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2012 Blog
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Here is a blog you can subscribe to at http://survive2012.co...­.

I had to edit most of it out for space.

Scientists Are Turning to Ancient Tales to Discover New Geological Hotspots

By Steve Connor

Apollo drew his bow and fired arrow after arrow into the deadly pythondragon guarding the sacred ground of Ge, the goddess of the earth. With his victory, Apollo gained the right to call the slopes of Delphi his earthly sanctuary.

It is a beautiful myth. Out of it grew the story of the Oracle of Delphi, a soothsayer who inhaled the breath of Apollo. The Pythia, the priestess who sat on a tripod inhaling fumes from the bowels of the earth, went into trances and muttered incomprehensible phrases, helpfully interpreted by her priestly assistants.

The Oracle at Delphi is one of several myths now being investigated by geologists to see whether such stories have any basis in fact. The relatively new science of ge-omythology could provide rational explanations for mythical events. But studying elements of a myth may also lead to new insights or discoveries in geology - a science that took its name from that same goddess, Ge.

In the case of the Oracle at Delphi, the focus has been on the nature of the fumes that may have influenced the prophecies. For 10 centuries, successive Pythias issued their oracles to the thousands of pilgrims who made their way to Apollo's shrine at Delphi.

The Pythias were real enough, although their prophecies were often ambiguous. But could their trance-like states have had a basis in geological reality? Could there really have been a gas released from under Apollo's shrine that induced transcendental states in someone sitting on a tripod above a fissure in the ground?

An archaeological excavation early in the 20th century found no signs of a real chasm or fissure under the temple at Delphi, but studies over the past decade have revealed the presence of two geological faults that cross each other directly under the shrine.

Luigi Piccardi, a geologist at the Institute for Geosciences in Florence, says recent investigations have revealed that there could indeed have been a gas-exhaling chasm at the oracle site.

If this chasm existed, it has long since sealed itself, Piccardi says. "The oracle site is positioned directly across the surface trace of a seismic fault that could rupture during earthquakes, thus creating a fissure in the ground from which gases such as carbon dioxide, hydrogen sulphate or methane could originate," he says.

Other scientists found traces of ethylene, a central nervous system stimulant, in a nearby spring. Ethylene is known to induce euphoria when inhaled in large enough doses. Was this the source of the Pythias' mystical powers?

This is one of several myths analysed scientifically in a book, Geology and Myths, to be published early next year by the Geological Society of London. Co-edited by Piccardi and Bruce Masse of Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, it will be the first set of peer-reviewed scientific papers discussing the geological reality behind some myths and legends.

The volume is an attempt to give the field of geomythology a sound academic grounding, with the aim of providing "a panorama on the study of the geological foundation to human myths".

The details of a legend may also help scientists to learn something new about geology. Piccardi's investigation of one Italian legend has helped geologists to see something they had missed.

The story is the supposed apparition of the Archangel Michael at the sanctuary of Monte Sant'Angelo. The legend, traditionally dated AD493, talks of the ground shaking when Michael appeared. According to the story, God's heavenly guardian left behind "footprints" in the rocks.

Seismologists had not thought this part of Italy to be particularly active, but Piccardi found ample evidence of a major seismic event, including a fault scarp in the floor of the shrine to the apparition - the "footprint", perhaps.
Don L.
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References for 2012
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Undeniable Evidence by Colin Andrews
The Mayan Factor by Jose Arguelles
Meditations with the Hopi by Robert Boissiere
The Secret of the Creative Vacuum by John Davidson
Sacred Mirrors by Alex Gray
Physical Geology by L. Don Leet
The Divine Matrix by Gregg Braden
Awakening to Zero Point by Gregg Braden
Walking Between The Worlds by Gregg Braden
Earth Magnetics and Ancient Wisdom by Gregg Braden
Experimental Evidence for the Quantum Hologram by Gregg Braden
The Emotion is the Power by Gregg Braden
Secrets of the Bird Tribe by William Henry
Sacred Living Geometry by Callum Coats
The Mayan Code by Barbara Hand Clow
Pole Shift by John White
Coming Earth Changes by William Hutton
The Pole Shift by Dee Finney
Survival Guide for the New Millenium by Byron Kirkwood
Galactic Alignment by John Major Jenkins


www.december212012.com

Or just Google the date

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There's not a single remotely credible source on that list.

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Who do you consider credible? What is your definition of intelligence? When you come up with someone other than yourself let me know.

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For claims about the natural world, I would want to see evidence from scientists, using scientific methods, having their results peer reviewed and published in journals, and then popularized by science writers.

These are new agey type books by authors with no scientific credentials, pulling together popular claims from other authors with no scientific credentials, none of which have been vetted, peer-reviewed, or tested scientifically.

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Here's a skeptical review of Gregg Braden's technique, which is clearly not science:

http://www.skepticrep...­.
Don L.
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What to expect after the poles shift
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The last time that Earth underwent a complete 180 degree magnetic reversal was approximately 11,000 to 13,000 years ago. Evidence that this has happened is seen in the geological record, fossilized remains and accounts in ancient texts. Physicists call this an electromagnetic null zone or zero point. It will last 3 days. The Earth will resume motion in the opposite direction of preshift conditions. The magnetic poles of north and south will be reversed. The sun will rise from the opposite direction.

Awakening To Zero Point by Gregg Braden

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Marylynn,

I'm sorry but that is pure BS. The earth will not stop and turn in the opposite direction. It hasn't happened in the past and it never will.

The earth magnetic poles can switch and there may be evidence to show that, but the physical earth will not stop rotating and reverse.

If a book says that the earth has changed directions in it's 4.55 Billion years of existence, it is wrong.

Don Lacey

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It must be nice to just dismiss everything you hear as BS. Too bad you can't stop the inevitable by burying your head in the sand. I'm not going to spoon feed all of you the information, you will have to read about it for yourselves and decide. I'll put together a list of recommended reading. This is not based on the Mayans BTW, they were just one of the first to see it coming. The Mayan Factor by Jose Arguelles came out in 1987 which is when I read it.

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Marylynn,

I don't dismiss everything I hear as BS. Up to this point, I've been very reluctant to shoot down anything you've said holding out for your supporting information. However, I'm educated in physics and when someone tells me the world is going to stop and turn the other direction I have to throw the BS flag. Either you are confused or your source is wrong. The world is not going to reverse its rotation, never has, never will.

Rather than throwing ad-hominem attacks at me, I suggest you read what scientists are saying about this hoax. Here's one to get you started...LINK

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More on the confusion...

Here is some information on the "axis of rotation". This is from...LINK

"But Adam Maloof, professor in Geosciences at Princeton University has something really interesting to say:

'If a true polar wander event has occurred in our planet’s history, it’s likely been when the continents formed a single mass on one side of the Earth. We don’t expect there to be another event in the foreseeable future, though. The Earth’s surface is pretty well balanced today.'

So, as you can see, it’s not like the magnetic reversal which is mostly unpredictable and can happen anytime (Even though as I explained it’s not that much of a big deal)."


He is talking about a shift of the rotational axis, not a total reversal. Notice he says "If a true polar wander event has occurred...". Some believe that the polar wander happened 800 million years ago and may have been as much as 50 degrees. That would be quite a change but consider that currently the wander is about a degree in a million years, that change could have taken 50 million years to accomplish. Again, we have the problem of time scale to consider. Homo Sapiens (that's us) have been on this earth for 250,000 years, that's 1/4 of a million years. In that time, the earth's rotational axis has "wandered" 1/4 of a degree--I don't think we even noticed. 50 degrees is quite a bit. That would put Alaska on the equator but if it took 50 million years, the plants and animals would have ample time to adapt to the change and I don't think they would have noticed either.

And just to hammer it home:

"Pole shift hypotheses are also not to be confused with Geomagnetic reversal, the periodic reversal of the earth's magnetic field (effectively switching the north and south magnetic poles). Geomagnetic reversal has more acceptance in the scientific community than pole shift hypotheses." from LINK

Digging for more information is the opposite of burying one's head in the sand.

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There's definitely a history of geomagnetic reversals in the geological record, and there's even a halfway decent understanding of the mechanism, involving the magnetic fluid in the earth's core:

http://www.sciam.com/...­.

There is no record of the *rotational poles* of the earth shifting, nor of its rotation reversing. There's no plausible mechanism at all for the latter; Don already discussed the possibility of a "polar wander" due to all the continents being on one side of the earth. I suppose that could also happen as the result of a collision with a large object. There's no evidence to suggest that it's likely or plausible to occur in 2012.
Don L.
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This is the last one from the original postings on 2012

www.merinews.com
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The world will end in 2012, say experts
Several experts from across the globe are predicting that the earth is likely to end by the year 2012. The reason could be a human effect or natural disaster. From Chinese theories to scientific predictions the most likely date is the year 2012.

CJ: Dr. Archana. A. Dethe , 14 Aug 2008 Views:30910 Comments:132
SCIENTIFIC EXPERTS from around the world are predicting that five years from now, all life on Earth could well come to an end. Some are saying it’ll be humans that would set it off. Others believe that a natural phenomenon will be the cause. And the religious folks are saying it’ll be God himself who would press the stop button. The following are some likely arguments as to why the world would end by the year 2012.

Reason one: Mayan calendar

The first to predict 2012 as the end of the world were the Mayans, a bloodthirsty race that were good at two things -- building highly accurate astrological equipment out of stone and sacrificing virgins.

Thousands of years ago they managed to calculate the length of the lunar moon as 329.53020 days, only 34 seconds out. The Mayan calendar predicts that the earth will end on December 21, 2012. Given that they were pretty close to the mark with the lunar cycle, it’s likely they’ve got the end of the world right as well.

Reason two: Sun storms

Solar experts from around the world monitoring the sun have made a startling discovery. Our sun is in a bit of strife. The energy output of the sun is, like most things in nature, cyclic and it’s supposed to be in the middle of a period of relative stability. However, recent solar storms have been bombarding the earth with lot of radiation energy. It’s been knocking out power grids and destroying satellites. This activity is predicted to get worse and calculations suggest it’ll reach its deadly peak sometime in 2012.

Reason three: The atom smasher

Scientists in Europe have been building the world’s largest particle accelerator. Basically, its a 27 km tunnel designed to smash atoms together to find out what makes the universe tick. However, the mega-gadget has caused serious concern, with some scientists suggesting that it’s properly even a bad idea to turn it on in the first place. They’re predicting all manner of deadly results, including mini black holes. So when this machine is fired up for its first serious experiment in 2012, the world could be crushed into a super-dense blob the size of a basketball.

Reason four: The Bible says it

If having scientists warning us about the end of the world isn’t bad enough, religious folks are getting in on the act as well. Interpretations of the Christian Bible reveal that the date for Armageddon, the final battle between good an evil, has been set for 2012. The I Ching, also known as the Chinese Book of Changes, says the same thing, as do various sections of the Hindu teachings.

Reason five: Super volcano

Yellowstone National Park in United States is famous for its thermal springs and old faithful geyser. The reason for this is simple -- it’s sitting on top of the world’s biggest volcano and geological experts are beginning to get nervous sweats. The Yellowstone volcano has a pattern of erupting every 650,000 years or so, and we’re many years overdue for an explosion that will fill the atmosphere with ash, blocking the sun and plunging the earth into a frozen winter that could last up to 15,000 years. The pressure under the Yellowstone is building steadily, and geologists have set 2012 as a likely date for the big bang.

Reason six: The physicists

This one’s case of bog -- simple maths mathematics. Physicists at Berkely University have been crunching the numbers. They’ve determined that the earth is well overdue for a major catastrophic event. Even worse, they’re claiming that their calculations prove that we’re all going to die, very soon. They are also saying that their prediction comes with a certainty of 99 per cent; and 2012 just happens to be the best guess as to when it occurs.
Edited by Don Lacey on Sep 9, 2008 12:36 PM
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