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Utah Canyoneering I!

  • Apr 24, 2014 · 5:30 PM
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Utah is full of astonishingly beautiful and mysterious technical canyons. Hidden within these canyons are sparkling swimming pools, soaring walls, exciting rappels, enchanting chambers, spooky slots, fun potholes, and the most beautiful stone on earth. So join us for a technical canyoneering trip to explore these amazing wild treasures. If you are new to canyoneering, check out these websites for more info:

http://canyoneeringusa.com/utah/index.htm

http://climb-utah.com/

http://www.math.utah.edu/~sfolias/

On this trip we will explore some beautiful canyons in the King Mesa area of the Escalante National Monument.  We are going to descend the classic gorgeous Sleepy Hollow, PINTAC a stunning X-rated canyon, and canyon options: Raven a pretty R rated slot, Headless Hen loaded with huge keeper potholes, or the Calf Creek Falls rappel with is big, fun, and beautiful.  

The canyons we will explore will probably be wet canyons with lots of swimming pools, so you will need a wetsuit. A minimum of 3 mm on the torso, 4-6 mm is much better, and get a full wetsuit not a shorty.

We will leave Thursday night after work and drive to Utah. Fri, Sat, and Sun we will explore beautiful canyons. We will drive home Sunday night. The trip will be car-camping and we will camp in a remote place surrounded by wild vistas and a huge vault of stars overhead.

Lets go rappel and swim through the most beautiful stone on earth!                   

Rom

Canyon Beta:

Sleepy Hollow: 

A top ten canyon, deep dark chambers, giant overhangs, pretty water, we will bypass the upper X-rated slot section 

http://files.meetup.com/1640198/Sleepy%20Hollow%20Canyon.pdf http://files.meetup.com/1640198/sleepyhollow%20map.jpg

PINTAC: 

X-rated Mae West slot section, RAM a canyoneering God told me it is super beautiful, one of his favorites

http://picasaweb.google.com/aramv14/PINTACCanyon# http://canyoncollective.com/threads/lower-pintac-4-14-13.18293/

Raven: 

R-rated Mae West slots, pretty slots, potholes 

http://files.meetup.com/1640198/Raven%20Shane.pdf http://files.meetup.com/1640198/Headless%20Hen%20and%20Raven.pdf  

Headless Hen: 

Giant keeper pothole canyon, superfun when full of water, pool jumps                   http://files.meetup.com/1640198/Headless%20Hen%20Shane.pdf http://files.meetup.com/1640198/Headless%20Hen%20and%20Raven.pdf

Calf Creek Falls Rappel: 

Fun swimming pools on approach, big rappel next to beautiful falls

http://climb-utah.com/Escalante/calfcreek.htm  

The "Technical Slot Canyon Guide to the Colorado Plateau", 2nd Edition by Michael Kelsey has beta on these canyons too. You can get that book at Neptune's or REI.

Please read and print the canyon beta so that you are prepared for the difficulties of every canyon that we will descend.  

Itinerary:

Thursday night, April 24th: Drive to the King Mesa area in the Escalante and camp

Friday: Sleepy Hollow

Saturday: Weather dependant, if reasonable weather then PINTAC, less reasonable then Raven/Headless Hen, if bad then the awesome Lower Coyote Gulch dayhike.  

Sunday: PINTAC, or Raven/Headless Hen, or the Calf Creek Falls rappel

Charging Money:

We have decided to start charging $10 to buy canyoneering gear for these trips. The money will be used for the following gear and will improve our safety.  

- New canyoneering specific waterproof static small diameter ropes                         

- Replacing the canyoneering ropes when they are damaged in the canyons           

- More webbing and quick-links to build, replace, and back up rappel anchors       

- More potshots, rope bags, pull lines, ladders, carabiners, sand traps, hoses, etc. 

- Good first aid kit

PayPal charges a $0.61 fee to perform payment processing so we have added that to the $10 charge for gear.  

The $10 charge is only for wear and tear of gear and buying new gear.  We are not a guide service.  We are just a group of friends going canyoneering together. You are totally responsible for your own safety.  

Carpooling:

If you are kind enough to drive then post to the group that you are looking for riders. If you need a ride then post that to the group.  The roads to our campsite in King Mesa can be driven by any vehicle.  It is about one mile from the campsite to the trailhead and that last mile is a little rough and more appropriate for a vehicle with some clearance.  Each day we can all pile in a vehicle with some clearance for the one mile to the trailhead, or just walk.  

Directions to the Campsite:

From Main and Center in the town of Escalante, Utah travel 5.0 miles east on Highway 12 to the well signed Hole-In-The-Rock Road (N37° 43' 39", W111° 31' 54"). The maintained gravel road is located on the south side of Highway 12. Turn south on the Hole-In-The-Rock Road and travel 33.3 miles to a turn-off signed "Chimney Rock" on the (left) side of the road (N37° 23' 35" W111° 08' 36").  Reset your odometer as you turn onto the Chimney Rock road.  Follow the Chimney Rock road 0.5 miles to a junction and go (left).  Continue to another junction at 1.9 miles from the Hole in the Rock road and go (right).  Continue to another junction at 2.6 miles and go (right), on the slightly less traveled road.  Drive for about another 0.2 miles and there will be a junction at a huge 300 ft wide rock outcropping.  We will camp at the rock outcropping.  At the junction there is a little road that leads to camping at the backside of the rock, and a little road that leads to camping at the front of the rock.  Just drive both roads until you find our cars and then camp there.  

Whoever gets to the rock outcropping campsite first gets to choose the side of the rock that we will camp.  Drive to the back and front of the rock and choose which side has better camping for all of us.  

And just to make sure, we are not camping at Chimney Rock.  At the 2.6 mile junction, if you go left then you will arrive at Chimney Rock at 2.9 miles.  The camping at Chimney Rock is horrible so we are not camping there.  Our unnamed rock outcropping has much better camping.  

Meet:

Your carpool can caravan down with us Thursday night, or just arrive at the campsite whenever you want.

We will all meet at the campsite on Friday morning at 6:30 AM. Make sure you are all geared up and completely ready to go at 6:30 AM! If you are not ready to go you will be left behind.  We will split everyone into rope teams and give everybody some group gear to carry. So make sure to have extra space in your pack to carry group gear (mostly ropes, webbing, pothole escape gear, anchor gear, ...)

Morning Discussion:

Each morning when we meet to hand out group gear we will quickly discuss our canyoneering techniques and safety practices.  This will make sure that everybody understands our strategies, large group techniques, and safety procedures.  A document that discusses these procedures is found here:

http://files.meetup.com/1640198/Morning%20Canyoneering%20Discussion.pdf

Please read this document before coming on the trip so you will better understand how to be safe.  

Wetsuits:

You need a full wetsuit with at least 3 mm on the torso and 2 mm on the arms/legs, 4-6 mm on the torso and 3-5 mm on the arms/legs is much better.

Car-camping:

We will car-camp for the entire trip. Since we are car-camping you can bring all of the gear that you need to be happy. The camping will be primitive with no facilities whatsoever, and far from any city, so be prepared with everything that you need.

Water:

There is no water at the campsite, so bring all of the water that you will need for the entire trip.

Going to the Bathroom:

Bring some toilet paper, a lighter, and some hand sanitizer to go to the bathroom. You will use the lighter to burn your toilet paper.

Athletic Ability:

Canyoneering requires you to be in very good physical condition and to be athletic. The approaches require walking long distances in backcountry terrain. Descending these canyons safely requires you to be athletic, with good coordination, strong, and tough. You don't need to be a rock climber because generally you will be going down, but there are many similarities between climbing and canyoneering. Just be prepared to be a warrior and to fight a tough battle!

Rappelling Experience:

We will do many rappels on our canyoneering trips so you need to have experience rappelling.  Make sure that you are confident on rappel because this will help you and all of us do these canyons safely.  The canyoneering veterans on the trip will build all the rappel anchors and take care of all the technical issues in the canyons.

Pack Size:

Make sure to have some extra space in your pack to help carry group gear such as ropes, webbing, pull lines, pothole escape gear, ... We will be carrying a lot of gear to make sure that we can safely descend the canyons. We spread out the technical gear among everyone so that one or two people are not totally overloaded. The reason I am saying this is that sometimes people show up (especially new people) with tiny packs and cannot help carry any group gear, which forces one or two people to have to carry everything. A pack size of at least 30-40 liters is appropriate.

Group Size:

I have learned a variety of techniques to make canyoneering work with large groups.  First, we are going to split everybody into separate rope teams.  Each team will have their own ropes and then can finish a rappel, pull their rope, and move on. This moves people more rapidly through the canyon.  We will spread the canyoneering veterans throughout the rope teams to lead them.  Second, at every rappel we should make parallel meat/human anchored rappels.  That way we can have multiple people rappelling simultaneously.  This can really speed things up.  Also, be sure that you are ready to go at our early morning start times. Leaving early is our only shot to finish the canyons before dark.

Canyoneering Gear:

Here is the gear that you need to come on the canyoneering trip. Please make sure to have this gear because it will be crucial for your survival and the safety of the group.

MANDATORY

Rappelling gear:

Climbing harness, belay device, 2 large locking biners, 2 normal biners, rappel glove

We might rappel sometimes on a single 8 mm rope, so it helps to have one of those new belay devices that has a tight toothed section for small ropes. Black Diamond and Petzl make them. However, you can always add more biners for friction if you don’t want to buy a new belay device, but it is better and safer to have a new one.

Rappel Glove:

Some people have asked about the rappel glove. You dont need to buy an expensive climbing glove. Just go to Home Depot and buy a cheap leather glove. Make sure it has some kind of a loop on it so you can attach it to a biner on your harness. Please make sure to have some kind of a glove for rappelling. Having a glove if something goes wrong on rappel can save your life.

Prusik slings:

Bring these just in case we need to go up something, a difficult rappel, or rescues. Prusik slings are a 10 foot length and 6 foot length of 6 mm climbing cord. We will show you how to make the slings. Also bring a 3.5 foot length of 6 mm climbing cord. This can be used as a rappel backup in case we cannot give you a firemans belay.

Webbing:

Everyone needs to bring two 15 foot lengths of 1 inch width webbing. One length of webbing will be used to lower your pack. The other can help with a handline or be used to build an anchor.

Drybag:

Get a big drybag that fits the inside of your daypack. You will put all of your gear in the drybag in the pack and it will keep everything dry when we have to swim a pool. You can get drybags for around $15-20 at REI or Neptunes.

Helmet:

Bring a rock climbing helmet or possibly even a bike helmet. You need some kind of a helmet to protect your head in case you fall.

Knee/Elbow Pads:

You must have knee pads and elbow pads. These pads are absolutely crucial for down-climbing the canyons. Just go to Sports Authority and get the cheap $5 foam pads. They work great. Cover them with duct tape so they will last longer.

Wetsuit:

You need a full wetsuit with at least 3 mm on the torso and 2 mm on the arms/legs, 4-6 mm on the torso and 3-5 mm on the arms/legs is much better.

HELPFUL

Pack Drain/Pack to Shred:

When you swim a pool or pothole some water will go inside your backpack and then it becomes heavy when you try to exit the pothole.  Adding drain holes to the bottom of your pack lets the pack drain very quickly.  You can get cheap metal grommets from Home Depot and easily add drain holes to your pack.  Without drain holes your pack will eventually drain but it might be heavy for a bit.

Canyoneering will shred your backpack.  Try to bring an old or cheap backpack for the canyons to destroy.  Canyoneeringusa.com does sell stronger backpacks specifically for canyoneering but they are expensive.  

Canyoneering Shoes:

Most people use some kind of a trail shoe. A shoe that has a Vibram sole or climbing rubber is best because it is more sticky on the rock. You can also use tennis shoes, but they tend to slip on the rock, and fall apart in the canyons. I use an "approach shoe". It has sticky climbing rubber but can also go hiking. Neptune sells the 5.10 Canyoneering Shoes. They are great and cost about $100. Also think about the shoe being in water and making moves on wet rock or with wet shoes.

Clothes to Shred:

Canyoneering eats your clothes. Make sure to go to a thrift store and buy some cheap clothes for the canyons to shred. The cheap clothes will also be worn over your wetsuit to protect the wetsuit.

Gloves:

Some people like to wear Atlas Thermal Fit Nitrile gloves for canyoneering and keeping your hands warm in cold water. You can get those at McGuckins or Home Depot for $5.

Socks:

Some people like to wear neoprene socks to keep their feet warm when swimming or wading in cold water.

Anchor Gear:

If you have any webbing, cord, rappel rings, and quick links please bring them to help with building rappel anchors. The more webbing and anchor gear that we have the safer we will be.  (Now that we are charging for canyoneering gear, I will try to provide anchor gear, but it might not hurt to have some backup gear.)  

Ropes:

If you have any ropes, bring them. We can use multiple ropes to move people more quickly through the canyons. Old ropes and especially shorter sections of ropes are very useful and allow us to bring a rope that matches the longest rappel in the canyon. (Again, now that we are charging for ropes, I will try to provide the ropes for our canyoneering trips.  However, if our ropes somehow get damaged in the canyons, it would be nice to have some backup ropes.)

GPS System:

If you have a GPS system, then please bring it to help with navigation. Backup GPS is extremely valuable in case mine goes down.

Okay, looking forward to our grand adventure in the desert!

Rom

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  • Jeff R.

    Sorry to fill everyone's inbox with another email, but having enjoyed 1 (or more) trips with you folks, I wouldn't want anyone thinking poorly of me and felt compelled to explain. Robin, I am not trying to steal your business or customers (in fact, I think we serve very different customers). After talking about our web-retail businesses, since they have many similarities, yes, it occurred to me that copper mugs would be a great addition to a distilling equipment and supply company. I sent out a couple requests to suppliers of copper mugs (Robin included), but for a mug that retails for $20, she was asking $18-19 and other suppliers were asking $5. As much as I wanted to support her business, I couldn't justify the cost difference. Getting them produced with my logo would require a larger minimum order, and not knowing which variety would be most popular, I ordered 16 each of 7 different varieties of copper mugs, figuring I could test which sold best.

    February 1, 2015

    • Jeff R.

      I guess these messages get cut off after a certain length.... Long story short, I am just trying to test the market out so that I can make the best decision when it comes to ordering a new product. Robin, I am not trying to steal your business or make a personal attack on you. I am trying to get a distillery started, which is keeping me very busy, and the last thing I need to be doing is trying to start a copper mug business as well. Sorry if it came off that way!

      February 1, 2015

    • Robin B.

      If that is the case, then please sell your products under your own brand name, not under my brand, and please turn off your program that automatically undercuts my prices.

      February 2, 2015

  • Robin B.

    Hey guys! Just want to share an interesting story with you all... I had such a great time on this trip and loved meeting all of you! A few months after the trip, Jeff Ruhle contacted me asking for some business advice about selling on Amazon. I gladly spoke with him for over an hour and gave him advice on selling on Amazon, customization processes, etc... thinking I was helping him improve his distillery supply business. Immediately after we spoke, he tried to find my suppliers in India and copied all my best selling products! One of my supplies forwarded me his email that included a link to my website with the request to manufacture the same products. Now he is selling my products on Amazon and undercutting my prices to try to take away all my business!

    January 31, 2015

    • Robin B.

      Just want to make sure people know not to trust him, and be careful who you try to help out. Dishonest people never make it far in life, and it is too bad they have to make things difficult for all the good people in the world. Lesson learned!

      January 31, 2015

  • Rom M.

    Well we had a great time on our canyoneering trip. Friday, we did Sleepy Hollow and it always delivers with a beautiful canyon, dark chambers, and a pretty exit hike. Taking 20 people through that canyon was a little crazy so we have decided to start limiting future trips to 15 people. Saturday, the weather was rainy and windy so we did the gorgeous lower Coyote Gulch dayhike. What a beautiful place! That view from the rim of the Escalante is unforgettable. Sunday, we did Raven canyon. That turned out to be much more difficult than I thought. It was fun but a little scary. The canyon was not that beautiful so I don't know if we will do it again. Anyways, thanks for all the fun times.

    3 · April 29, 2014

    • phu

      Thanks for another awesome trip Rom. Keep 'em coming!

      3 · April 29, 2014

  • Gary H

    Sleepy Hollow Video compilations. If you want original footage, let me know which video and time into the video, i can dropbox them to you.

    http://youtu.be/7zkbYho79rY
    http://youtu.be/B2BZCq0TIFE
    http://youtu.be/QROU5GkkCyM
    http://youtu.be/P16ohfQAGQI
    http://youtu.be/-d0uzt12nC4

    3 · April 28, 2014

    • Troy

      Great vids Gary, i may have to snag those from you!

      April 28, 2014

  • Jen

    great vids Gary!

    April 28, 2014

  • Gary H

    Raven Canyon video compilations. Try this link, it should take you to 5 videos for Raven.

    http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy4x0UuKs4sTiZ36PnvlHh43DKZi2rNW3

    1 · April 28, 2014

  • Jeff R.

    If anyone has extra elbow pads or is going to being picking up a cheap pair today, would you mind picking me up a pair or bringing them? I live up in the mountains so I orders a pair off Amazon Prime and they were supposed to get here yesterday but never showed up...

    April 24, 2014

  • Gary H

    By the way, my cell number is[masked]

    April 24, 2014

  • Gary H

    Does the Bryce forecast for Sat cause concer for the slots? "90% chance of rain. Highs around 45. Winds SSW 10 to 20. Rainfall near a quarter inch"

    April 23, 2014

    • Troy

      Friend out here just got back from escalante, he said it got down to 25 at night. He highly recommended cold and rain gear.

      April 23, 2014

  • Rom M.

    Hey Everyone, after checking the forecast I am going to change the itinerary. The weather looks okay on Friday except it will be windy, Saturday could have rain, and Sunday looks good. So here is the plan. Friday, we will do Sleepy Hollow. It's great and should not be missed. Saturday, here are our options. If the weather is not too bad we could consider doing PINTAC/Raven. If the weather is slightly worse we could consider Raven or Headless Hen. They have short drainages and the canyons do not take much time to descend. If the weather is bad and we definitely do not want to be in a tight canyon then we will do the gorgeous Lower Coyote Gulch dayhike. This is a fantastic top ten hike in the American desert and is loaded with gigantic overhangs, arches, waterfalls, and huge walls. Sunday, we will have all of our options: PINTAC, Raven/Headless Hen, or the Calf Creek Falls rappel.

    3 · April 23, 2014

    • Troy

      I would be down for coyote gulch, my cousin had been helping me check out places and maps, he and a few others all recommended it. They also said peek a boo and scary gulch were also good to go. Just for an easier day if need be. Hoping to try out my gopro for the first time out there as well!

      April 23, 2014

  • Shirley

    Yannick and I have room for 1 more person, (leaving from Boulder) meeting at Wooly Mammoth any time after 1:30pm. Gary and I are planning to skip Pintac on Friday and doing something less technical, if anyone wants to join us.

    April 23, 2014

    • Gary H

      Due to the itinerary change, I am planning to do Sleepy Hollow Friday.

      2 · April 23, 2014

    • Shirley

      I'm only expecting company when/if you guys do PINTAC.

      April 23, 2014

  • Anton S.

    Not making it probably. Been down for 3 days and counting with a cold...

    April 23, 2014

  • Rom M.

    By the way, as for PINTAC we are only going to do the lower X section, not the full upper section. The upper section is a triple XXX canyon and is extremely difficult. The lower X is not that bad and only takes an hour. Also, everyone make sure to stake your tent down well before we leave on Friday. There will be high winds and your tent could easily blow away. You could also just collapse your tent in the morning and then you would not have to worry about it blowing away.

    Okay, see you all at 6:30 AM Friday morning. Looking forward to the beautiful canyons!

    April 23, 2014

  • Tom

    A couple more pointer for Pintac Beta:
    http://www.math.utah.edu/~sfolias/canyontales/tale/?i=pintac

    http://www.bogley.com/forum/showthread.php?39586-X-fest-Pt-2-P-I-N-T-A-C

    It looks like a very tough day. We *all* should read through ALL the beta. We'll have plenty of time in the car to read. I know I am more comfortable when I know what to expect. After reading through the PINTAC Betas, I am leaning toward doing Raven.

    April 23, 2014

  • Bonnie

    I am planning to join everyone for this trip. Sleepy Hollow is one of my favorite canyons. Right now it looks like I can leave by 12:30 maybe earlier, I will have to see about my schedule. I will officially sign up as the date gets closer.

    1 · March 31, 2014

    • Bonnie

      Hi Russell, Thanks! I can meet you at noon, will that be okay?

      April 17, 2014

    • Bonnie

      Sorry Russell, I can't make it until noon. I will be riding with Gary.

      April 23, 2014

  • Teva

    I'm looking for a ride, but I can't leave until 5:00. Anyone have room for me?

    April 18, 2014

    • Teva

      Sounds good. See you in Empire. Thanks!

      April 22, 2014

    • Jeff R.

      Mine is[masked]-1847. I'll make sure it is charged before heading out!

      April 23, 2014

  • Troy

    So i'm in SLC currently and it's been raining non-stop all day. I'm not sure how this translates to 6hrs south of here in escalante. But i just thought I'd give everyone a heads up on the weather, getting down cold to at night.

    April 22, 2014

  • Gary H

    CARPOOL 1: i can fit 3 more plus gear in my durango, but i 'm planning to leave around noon for anyone interested. if there's no interest in this departure time, then i will wait and leave with the group.

    March 27, 2014

    • Tom

      Confirmed. I'll be there.

      April 22, 2014

    • phu

      Yep

      April 22, 2014

  • Robin B.

    Does anyone have an extra helmet or knee/elbow pads? I can rent the helmet but thought I'd check with you guys first. Thanks!

    April 22, 2014

  • Katherine Pearl Z.

    Driving from Mosca and planning on getting to the campsite around 6:30pm, so see you all there. Psyched!

    April 22, 2014

  • Peter

    Guys, unfortunately I've sustained an ankle sprain which forces me off this trip. Escalante will have to wait for another day. Have fun & be safe in those humongous groups. I'll miss Russell's rendition of Beer Run by the camp fire & Phu's selection of advanced but totally unnecessary canyoneering techniques.

    1 · April 22, 2014

    • Peter

      I will also miss watching Orlando Mae West with his completely invisible but apparently quite effective elbow & knee guards, and watching the group decide that Bonnie should be the one to rappel last of that anchor constructed from nothing but spider webs & wishful thinking.

      2 · April 22, 2014

  • Joel B.

    I can take 3 comfortably in my FJ with gear. If anyone needs a ride.

    April 20, 2014

    • Joel B.

      Ok, so Jen, Robin, and Russell I'll be at the WM lot a little before 9 so we can load up gear. I'm in an all black FJ. [masked] if you guys need to reach me.

      April 22, 2014

    • Robin B.

      Sweet! Looking forward to meeting you guys on Thursday. I've never gone on a weekend trip where I don't know anyone but I'm sure it will be great!

      April 22, 2014

  • Daniel L.

    I really wanted to come join you guys, but my schedule is just too hectic and I'm not prepared now. I will look into joining you all in the future.

    In the meantime, we have some great climbing outings happening in the "Denver Social Climb" group, for anyone who is interested.

    April 21, 2014

  • Rom M.

    Okay I just posted directions to the campsite. By the way, is there any veteran canyoneer who would volunteer to not do PINTAC the first day and instead take the beginners through Raven canyon? If not, the beginners can always drive a few miles to the easy canyons Spooky, Peekaboo, & Brimstone or just hike pretty Coyote Gulch.

    April 21, 2014

    • Gary H

      don't think i can do pintac, would have liked to fo raven, but i dont have the experience to lead it. i have done spooky, peekaboo & brimstone before so if no one else can lead raven, i can take some up to the others.

      April 21, 2014

    • Kendre D.

      I'd also like to do Raven (and possibly headless hen in the same day). I don't feel comfortable leading beginners, but would be interested in going with others who have intermediate experience and pothole escape experience.

      April 21, 2014

  • Rom M.

    Anita and I are looking for a ride. We can leave at 4:00 pm on Thursday. Jeff, if you don't mind waiting until after 4 pm then we could ride with you. If not, that's okay, we will find another ride. I will post directions to the campsite on either Sunday or Monday. Looking forward to the desert!

    April 18, 2014

    • Jeff R.

      Not a problem! I am happy to meet you two a little after 4.

      April 18, 2014

  • Daniel L.

    I'm thinking of coming. I have never done this before, but I have extensive experience with climbing sport, trad, and aid, so I can handle ropes, ascenders, and belay devices. What I don't have is a wetsuit. Where should I get one?

    April 18, 2014

  • Jeff R.

    I will be heading out from Winter Park (schedule is super flexible), so anyone want to meet at the lot just off the exit to Empire for a carpool? I have an '11 Outback, so I could fit another 3 plus gear comfortably. And just to sweeten the deal, maybe I'll even bring some baked goods!

    April 18, 2014

  • Kendre D.

    I'll be coming from Craig, CO Leaving after work on Thursday. I'm assuming no one else is coming from this part of the state so I will plan on driving alone. I hope to be to Escalante by midnight Thursday and will see you all at the campsite.

    1 · April 17, 2014

  • Troy

    Hey everyone, I was hoping to tag along for this trip, but the more i read the more Q's i have... I've never done cayoneering before and the cost seems to be adding up rather quickly for someone w/no experience and no gear (i do have lots of climbing gear but no wet gear). I happen to have the whole of next week off as i just quit my job so i'd like to do something "spectacular" but honestly i would feel a little over my head jumping in with the group. Not very experienced w/multi day backpacking, i'm more of the single long day epics type person.
    Suggestions???

    1 · April 15, 2014

    • Anton S.

      Just wanted to mention that you can get a new 4/3 mm wetsuit at wetsuitwearhouse.com for $117 shipped. Short of that, at THE END OF THE SEASON there are used wetsuit sales at a dive shop in Denver. Craigslist is the next option. I seem to remember seeing something at Play It Again Sports. Boulder has an interesting shop called Boulder Sports Recycler.

      April 17, 2014

    • Joel B.

      Picking up a wetsuit on Amazon at a discount for just a little more than renting one for a 4 day weekend which was around $50 when I called the local scuba shop.

      April 17, 2014

  • Fehim H.

    Does anyone know where could i rent a wet suit or buy a used one? Also, are there any rental places around where we will camp?

    April 13, 2014

    • Rom M.

      Actually canyoneering rarely damages a wetsuit. You wear your clothes and knee & elbow pads outside the wetsuit. If you do this then your wetsuit will not receive any damage. We have been canyoneering for many years and our wetsuits still look as good as new by doing this.

      April 15, 2014

    • Katherine Pearl Z.

      Fehim - I have rented a wetsuit from Denver Divers in the past - used to be cheap but I think it's up to $30 or $40 for a weekend now. They were pretty accommodating as far as definition of a weekend (4 days). And I never had any problem with wetsuit damage on these trips, though Denver Divers requires you to rinse the sand off the suit before you return it not to get charged a cleaning fee.

      April 15, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    I'm going to have to cancel. Other obligations. Hopefully I can make a future canyoneering outing. Have fun everyone!

    April 11, 2014

  • Eric

    I'd be down for this -- have a decent amount of slots canyons under my belt and own/have access to a decent amount of gear.

    My concern is the number of people currently going. Taking 17 people into R-X rated canyons seems to be aligning for a bad, possibly dangerous time.
    Do you intend to split into groups?

    April 5, 2014

    • Rom M.

      If you are worried about the group size then the second trip has a lot fewer people. I think the second trip may be more fun so I am not sure why so many people signed up for the first trip. Anyways, as stated in the trip description, we are splitting up on the first day. Also, a big group in an R or X canyon is not the problem, because everyone can keep moving. With group size you mainly just worry about the number of rappels. We set up parallel raps and separate rope teams for canyons with lots of rappels. These canyons do not have lots of rappels.

      April 7, 2014

  • Gary H

    Boulder Sports Recycler has two pair 5.10 canyoneering shoes barely used, size 9, sadly not my size. $70 for a newer model with buckles instead of laces, and $45 for an older style with laces. these are a good deal.

    March 28, 2014

  • Anton S.

    I'll sign up when I am sure I can join (since signing up requires paying first). Escalante is too tempting, I have to be there.

    1 · March 27, 2014

  • orlando

    im getting my cast off tomorrow then I will see
    if I can go

    1 · March 26, 2014

    • Rom M.

      What happened to you?

      March 26, 2014

    • orlando

      I broke my dam hand march 8th

      March 27, 2014

  • Chris M.

    how many can go.. do you have a max? i definately want to see if i can go, depending on work.

    March 26, 2014

    • Rom M.

      There is no max.

      March 26, 2014

  • Daniel L.

    I just put in notice at work that I'm planning to go on this trip. Hopefully, there will be no objections.

    I am an experience technical climber with lots of gear such as ropes, carabiners, cams, etriers, belay devices, etc.

    Is there anything I should bring along from my climbing gear?

    March 25, 2014

    • Rom M.

      Not really. Maybe bring one of your etriers. Sometimes those are useful.

      March 26, 2014

  • Gary H

    planning to come, still seeking wetsuit though.

    March 26, 2014

  • Clayton L.

    So jealous i wish i could go. I look forward to the next one!

    March 25, 2014

  • Daniel L.

    It says in the itinerary that we will leave on Thursday evening and play Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Does this mean that we will be returning home on Monday?

    March 24, 2014

    • Rom M.

      We return Sunday night.

      March 24, 2014

    • Daniel L.

      I'm going to look into getting the time off from work :-)

      March 25, 2014

  • Drew

    What's up Rom? Is this trip ok for people new to canyoneering?

    March 24, 2014

    • Rom M.

      Yes you can come if you are new to canyoneering. But as I said in the description, you need to be athletic, in good shape, coordinated, ... etc. Drew, you are fine.

      March 25, 2014

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