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Caffeinated Godlessness

  • May 30, 2013 · 7:00 PM
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Let's get together and discuss topics in atheism, politics, culture, and anything else that our brains come up with. We always start with a central topic, and then let the discussion go where it will.

This discussion group often reaches into history and theoretical concepts, which means that we discuss not just current topics, but how the past and the possibilities of the future may affect it.  It is not necessarily a goal-oriented discussion or a planning session, as much as it is a chance to play in the mental field of these ideas, from as many angles as possible.  If you like to discuss in that way, this group is for you.

If you have a topic you'd like to discuss, please email me. I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Hope to see you there!

Nancy

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  • Jeff G.

    Our discussion on religion and people in the military turned to the Problem Of Evil argument, why people believe in a god and what do they get out of organized religion. The consolations of religion was one of the answers to the latter question.

    Two days ago there was a NYT op-ed piece by a Stanford anthropologist sayiung that belief in a god is the least part of religious faith, and that has changed in recent history.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/30/opinion/luhrmann-belief-is-the-least-part-of-faith.html?src=me&ref=general

    She says that us secularists have it backwards; evangelical Christians don't believe in god and so participate in religion; its the other way around. But she says that we got the consolations from religion part right last night.

    Some of these ideas are new to me. She wrote a book about the relations evangelicals have to a god belief, pub in 2012. Light summer reading!

    May 31, 2013

    • Don L.

      Thank you, Jeff. I'll try and write a blog post on this subject soon.

      May 31, 2013

    • Jeff G.

      Some of the ideas were new to me! Presents evangelical Christian religion as more or less two layerd: the outer extreme dogma positions mixed with politics we call radical right fundamentalism, and then this other side, a kind of personal disclipined mystical meditation.

      May 31, 2013

  • Tamar

    In genera it was great:I emerged from it with pumped up positive energy. It did get at a certain point a tad too detailed and technical about military procedural but it got over it.

    1 · May 31, 2013

    • Don L.

      I'm glad that you enjoyed the meeting. As far as the technical details, how can we intelligently discuss an issue without knowing the details? There were only a few people in the room that have actually served. Before we can have a well-informed intelligent conversation, it is important to understand the entire context of the situation.

      2 · May 31, 2013

  • Jeff G.

    In the preface to her book, T. H. Lurman addresses us: "...I wrote this book because I think I can explain to nonbelievers how people come to experience God as real." I just discovered that last month, she summarized more of her ideas on evangelical Christian beliefs and practices in another NYT op-ed, here:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/14/opinion/sunday/luhrmann-when-god-is-your-therapist.html

    When Lerman's book came out in 2012, a historian of religion, Molly Worthen, reviewed it in the NYT Sunday Book Review. She makes an even-handed evaluation of the ideas in Lurman's book. Worthen also mentions why rational arguments by the New Atheists have little effect on evangelicals.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/books/review/when-god-talks-back-by-tm-luhrmann.html

    May 31, 2013

  • Buck V.

    I just love hanging out with these excellent people!

    May 31, 2013

  • Jeff G.

    A good evening, a large groups and perhaps more laughter than usual. Lots of fun.

    May 31, 2013

  • America Darling C.

    My favorite way to spend a Thursday.

    1 · May 31, 2013

  • Gregg C.

    Wonderfu9l, thoughtful and funny!

    May 30, 2013

  • Don L.

    Good job, Nancy!

    1 · May 30, 2013

  • Lars E.

    As usual, Nancy did a great job moderating and I enjoyed hanging out with the group. Here is a link to that Frontline I was mentioning, Faith and Doubt: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/faith/

    May 30, 2013

  • Tamar

    How could the majority of humanity believe when there is so much suffering in the world, and rarely is any prayer answered-on the contrary?Yet without that soothing belief it's all a huge mystery at best and you know"knock knock knock...and no answer".

    May 13, 2013

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