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Caffeinated Godlessness

  • May 29, 2014 · 7:00 PM
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Let's get together and discuss topics in atheism, politics, culture, and anything else that our brains come up with. We always start with a central topic, and then let the discussion go where it will.

This discussion group often reaches into history and theoretical concepts, which means that we discuss not just current topics, but how the past and the possibilities of the future may affect it.  It is not necessarily a goal-oriented discussion or a planning session, as much as it is a chance to play in the mental field of these ideas, from as many angles as possible.  If you like to discuss in that way, this group is for you.

If you have a topic you'd like to discuss, please email me. I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Hope to see you there!

Nancy

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  • Mike P.

    I am disappointed in myself for using this forum to confront Mr no name ex member whoever he was and would like to publicly apologize for my actions here. I should have confronted him in person, or better yet kept it to myself, but confronting him here were the actions of a troll, which I accused him of being. I had personal reasons for doing that, but those are not an excuse, and make what I did no less wrong, and I am very sorry for that.
    Not as an excuse, but I would like to say anyway, I have come to realize that I have a rather unhealthy attachment to this group, not unlike the one I had to religion many years ago, and that discovery about myself horrifies me. This group is the most important thing in my life right now. (How pathetic is that?) But that addiction will be broken by my new workload which will keep me out of the country most of the next 2 years. So when rarely you will see me in the future I hope you will understand that I try not to be a dick, I often fail that.

    May 31, 2014

  • Nancy

    Hey all, sorry it didn't go as well as some hoped, but that happens from time to time and we keep on keepin' on. I will be better about changing my RSVP sooner if it matters, and this discussion will continue to include religion, and it's influence on us and our culture. I will always have a discussion topic that does not involve any research, as many of you know how important that is to me. I love you guys, and we will figure it out.

    1 · May 31, 2014

  • Gregg C.

    I admit I presented a lot of data and I do understand that the discussion group is usually more "here and now;" about where each person is AT THE MOMENT. When I was asked to prepare this scientific subject - I probably overdid the research.

    I have felt that some of our discussions went way off topic -- and headed down to a garden path of opinion vs. evidence. At recent discussions the idea of medical (and other scientific) practices vs religion have come up regularly, with no history or evidence introduced.

    Picking the materials from the research I did, I felt we might achieve understanding of two concepts:

    1. Change does not happen overnight, neither does evolution.

    2. Often religion vs. medical ethics offers legal, social, and medical dilemmas. Therefore I read some real world historical background and evidence as a basis for intelligent discussion.

    Note too, we used more than 60% of the time for discussion - which I did try to keep on topic.

    May 29, 2014

    • Jeremy C

      Though we're all comfortable with the format, maybe we should talk about increasing the scope of topics? I know about the only thing we can all agree with have in common is Don's favorite: "We don't believe in a god, and we believe in separation of church and state" but perhaps we can work together to figure out where else we can venture outside that? I love a good topic on anything including politics, but I know there are plenty of people that prefer to leave things like that at home.

      May 31, 2014

    • Jeff G.

      Nancy willing, perhaps the place to start is by some revision to the existing scope statement (not just lengthening it!). As it goes, its pretty good but might be made more specific. "Let's get together and discuss topics in atheism, politics, culture, and anything else that our brains come up with. We always start with a central topic, and then let the discussion go where it will.

      This discussion group often reaches into history and theoretical concepts, which means that we discuss not just current topics, but how the past and the possibilities of the future may affect it. It is not necessarily a goal-oriented discussion or a planning session, as much as it is a chance to play in the mental field of these ideas, from as many angles as possible. If you like to discuss in that way, this group is for you.

      May 31, 2014

  • Mike P.

    No name reminds me of my theist ex-friends who sometimes dare me to prove their god dosent exist then express similar disappointed derisiveness when I dont argue the case forceful enough to convince them. He claimed this was not the case, (though christians can be such big liars), but clearly he was expecting a much more militant and hostile group of angry atheists than we actually are. I see this as more of a support group than a militant godless recruiting and mission planning outpost, but maybe I am the one who is out of line here.

    1 · May 30, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      You're pretty rude man. I usually don't give time to people like you and tonight is a usual night. Take care.

      May 30, 2014

    • Mike P.

      Just tell me I am wrong and I will apologise to you in person using my real name. (posted above)

      May 30, 2014

  • Gregg C.

    Hey, Fake Name - Might I ask what you did expect and what topics and ideas you had hoped to discuss? It might have been a better fit to start with Drinking Godlessly which is a non-structured gathering every other Thursday.

    Or you might find more skeptical subjects in the skeptics group each second Monday evening at Denny's.

    I admit, the discussion last night was more structured than most we have -- and less wide-ranging, however that was by my choice as a volunteer to lead for the evening.

    Nancy is always open to suggestions as to topics -- and I solicited this one at the last meeting.

    May 30, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      Hi Gregg chmara, aside from the topic (I direct you upwards to other comments to avoid redundancies), good job talking to a group of people. That has always been unnerving to me.

      May 30, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    Hey, had a nice time at the Greek place. I just arrived home. I figured that a little review might interest some of you. This isn't criticism. Can't make that any more clear. Definitely not criticism. I was unaware that your meeting was a support group for the recovering religious. I'm glad that you're all there for each other. Personally, I've never been religious. I was not baptized into Christianity as a baby (or ever). I've only been to temple for bar and bat mitzvahs. I don't think that I've ever set foot in a mosque. I did go to the sagrada familia once, but it was someone else's idea. This one day, I spent an whole week at a catholic wedding. The entire meetup was spent besmirching religion and its involvement with medicine; criticizing the medical choices of religious parents. While on one hand it may seem logical that a kid with such and such disease receive the most modern scientific treatment.......<going to continue this thought in a reply>

    May 29, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      On the other, families are free to make their own choices for whatever their reasons, even if their conclusions are not the same that my wife and I would come to with concern to our family. But now comes the point. The point is that both of those opposing views are beside the point. The most irritating thing about religion is exactly what happened for two hours tonight. People sat around and judged other people while using incomplete data to draw incomplete conclusions. This is a very religious behavior that nobody seemed aware of. So in the name of progress and possibly helping someone, I've left my comfort zone of simply not caring what other people do with themselves as long as they don't bug me with it and piped up. I hope you guys can get over that hump. It seems like a big one. Thank you for including me.

      May 29, 2014

    • Joey R.

      I think you might want to re-read the overview of what this group does because I don't know what else you would expect to discuss. I agree with you however, that this format wasn't as interesting to me, WHICH IS WHY I LEFT! Don't spend two hours pounding shots, then blame the group for your hangover the next morning. If you don't understand why this dialogue is important, then fine, but for those who have been affected by the societal implementation of indoctrination, it is very important. The fact that you have no personal experience to relate to is exactly why you don't understand the dire need to not keep our opinions to ourselves and to start the conversation it has nothing to do with demons.

      1 · May 30, 2014

  • Ruby K.

    I think each person has his own style in conducting a meetup, and many love Nancy's and may be are enthusiastic to attend because of her. Therefore, notifying the crowd that she's not going to be there and also who will sub for her beforehand, I think, is only logical.

    May 30, 2014

  • Gregg C.

    First, thanks to Chin and Iman for their insites on the dilemmas of practicing MDs.

    I hope I did not insult anyone by y choice of materials and specific cases involving current and historical conflicts.

    May 29, 2014

  • christy w.

    This was not a fun meeting. It was difficult to have any ongoing discussion because there was so much reading of data and history happening throughout. This group is designed for ongoing, interactive discussion, with minimal direction from the moderator. That is not what happened tonight. I saw many people get cut off mid-sentence, and when a discussion did begin, we were redirected back to the reading material. If this is to be the new format of the group, count me out. I did not enjoy myself tonight.

    May 29, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    What's a good tree to plant on the south side of my house?

    May 28, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      Yeah, the more I look at az ash, the more I think that it will be the choice. We have two mesquite trees on the north side and we don't like the roots hunting for our drain and buckling the patio. Good advice about the trunk burn.

      May 29, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      Ahhhhhh, what's in a name

      May 29, 2014

  • Gregg C.

    Trouble is that fast growing trees eat water like made and desert hardy trees grow slowly and generally have little foliage to provide shade.

    I am fortuate to have nature Palo Verdes surrounding my home but 20 years of growth for minimal shade.

    If you like ornamentals - Allepo Pine with their long thin upward growth -planted in a row, near each other can get 15-20 feet high fairly quickly and offer density of 24-30 inches with their branches.. In my former home, their pointy tops became a nightly stop for owls. If you want citrus -- some species of sour Orange take less water and produce basically useless fruit. Lemon does OK but water becomes a consideration if you want to harvest the fruit. Grapefruit is a break the bank water bill if you want good fruit.

    Hope these ideas held.

    May 28, 2014

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