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Re: Attn: Eric [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones; BUNK I say and Ilike Alex usually

From: Tony E.
Sent on: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:42 AM
Stop calling people CIA

First of all Michael is my friend. If you somehow unaware.. it takes a lot of guts to stand out against the status quo and say what you believe. He believes in Obamas message! So be it!

He is a great man, I respect him greatly. I was actually one of the founders of a Boston 911 group in Brighton. I am telling you, I know Michael personally.. and yes.. we do not agree on some issues but its having the reserve to put down your battle shield and sword and actually listen that makes us better for it.

Dont put down labels. We are here because we understand the evidence against the official story of 911. That is what brings us together.

--- On Mon, 3/16/09, Dan <[address removed]> wrote:
From: Dan <[address removed]>
Subject: Attn: Eric [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones; BUNK I say and Ilike Alex usually
To: [address removed]
Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 1:42 AM

I don't see why it's better for Mike to leave.  Even if he's CIA, the little people at the CIA are the people whose ears we need to be in.  99.9% of them have been doused in BS.  If we're able to dissolve their misinformed state we might deliver someone who might survive this mess to a place in time and position of knowledge to take action that saves many.

By alienating people you loose your capacity to influence them.  If your mind is strong, you have good info, then what do you have to fear from the misinformed? 

Obviously Mike hasn't been reading up on Obama.  Peacenik Democrats, antiwar activists, pretty much anyone who is paying attention to world events, that I've spoken to, recognizes Obama is in the pocket of the Oligarchy.  For Mike to come on here trying to sway people to Obamabothood speaks to his being far out of touch with reality and the street.  I can't think of a better place for him to get an education on what the US federal government is all about, mass murder.

If we send him out of here and he keeps getting his info from the other side, he'll not only wind up a murder statistic, he'll probably influence bunches of people to go that route along with him.  Even if he denies the undeniable facts of the situation, that we put in his brain what the reality is, is what's important.  It might take witnessing the nuclear catastrophe the Fed Gov has in the works, for him to arrive at the real meaning of all the "shovel ready" talk, but at some point he'll come to realize what we were saying here is real.  Maybe he'll survive it and whistle blow, maybe he'll train a bead on the most murderous some day and turn the whole planet around.  If we send him away though, we loose.  We loose our capacity to expand understanding of the truth.  Perhaps some of his delusions are more common on this thread than we imagine and what's being said about Obama is an eye opener for more than just Mike.  Regardless it's good to practice the talking points by email, so we have what to say to these Obamabots immediately on their revealing their disinformational status.

So, for the record, Daniel Vincent Kelley is one truther who is against censoring people from this group for voicing their political beliefs.

If they were showing up to every meetup shouting down 9/11 truthism with a megaphone, that would be pretty tough to tolerate.  But really we should in that situation just get a PA system with 12 inch speakers.  Sending some email that is an expression of political delusion, it seems to me, does not rise to the level of banishment.  60+% of the population right now thinks Obama is a nice guy, he has their approval.  Generally Truthers are a bit more in tune.  But I don't remember seeing Obama being discussed on here before.  I can understand how Mike may have eaten up the disinformation that's being pushed in the major media.  I know I've read enough about him and his cabinet to be nauseated for centuries by their ilk.  It seems to me we should be sending Mike links to where he can read about who Obama really is and what Obama is really upto.  Everything I read Mike thought was good about Obama is Major Media pushed hogwash.  As truthers I feel it's our obligation and in everyone's best interest to educate the disinformed, not to alienate the disinformed.







Eric_The_Freeway_Blogger wrote:

Michael

I'd like to make a suggestion and that is you leave the 9-11 truth movement and refrain from posting on this meetup group.

Whether you are aware or not you are a distraction to the energy of everyone who is making an effort to be part of the truth movement.

Good bye and Good Luck Michael !

Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "michael labelle"
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones; BUNK I say and Ilike Alex usually
Date: Sun, 15 Mar[masked]:58:46 -0400

yeah but I still prefer obama to bush by at least a factor of ten, even if they are of "the same category" and ten bucks was just a token amount since I wasn't exactly enthusiastic. but now that he's in there he seems to be going in a better direction that anyone else who had a chance of getting in there. I'm just trying to be realistic. I don't think there is enough proof that he's as evil minded as the last ones, and he seems to be trying to take us in a more sustainable direction, longterm. I think if there isn't some stimulus the system could come crashing down in an even more unpleasant way. what would you have the president do, nothing? Just let "the market" handle it's own; at this point; that is so naive. It's the unbridled market, and it's ethos of get it all now and screw the other, that brough the whole house of cards crashing down. I for one am glad there's a man with a brain and a desire to do the right thing for the vast majority out there, at least I haven't been convinced that he's against that vast majority by his rhetoric as well as some of his early actions. give the guy a chance, why is that make some of you recoil so much? do you really think he's as bad as the obvious villains that thought we were stupid enough to believe the lie of 911, which they were clearly behind? Obama even tried to appoint a fair minded person recently who opposed some of israels' policies and his nomination was nipped in the bud by AIPAC with nary a peep about it in the mainstream media. Look what Obama is up against; I fail to see how he's in the same category as that! You thinkevery politician has been corrupted except Ron Paul probably, according to this kind of thinking. well I love Ron Paul too and shook his hand in NH, but that doesn't mean I have to hate, resent, or reject obama; in fact I admire him for the fight it took just to gain hold of the reigns of power; though you would probably say that was a set up too? i think it was more of a ground swell and you just can't accept it

--- On Sun, 3/15/09, jeebsy <[address removed]> wrote:
From: jeebsy <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones; BUNK I say and Ilike Alex usually
To: [address removed]
Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:45 PM

Michael,

McCain, Bush, Obama, The Jonas Brothers, they are all in the same category.  Sorry Charlie, you and many of our fellow brothers and sisters were successfully duped out of their 10 bucks.

Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn. -Benjamin Franklin


From: michael labelle <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Sunday, March 15,[masked]:32:38 PM
Subject: Re: [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones; BUNK I say and Ilike Alex usually

ditto to what I just said then; according to this view, we might as well have mccain as president, or still bush/cheney.

--- On Sun, 3/15/09, Dan <[address removed]> wrote:
From: Dan <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones; BUNK I say and Ilike Alex usually
To: [address removed]
Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 3:21 PM

If you're so hyped up to see Bush prosecuted Mike, how could you possibly support Obama, who not only has no intention of prosecuting war criminal Bush, but is also entrenched in the powers he grabbed against the writ of the constitution?  Notice while Obama has pledged to "look at" closing Guantanamo, he's not even given lip service to restoring Habeas Corpus.  Right now, ANY PERSON on the planet, can by whim of a fascist dictator, be abducted, held without charges indefinitely and renditioned to torturous states for egregious torture.  All of which Obama hasn't made the least promise to dissolve.  Yoo, the lawyer who told Bush he was within rights to do all of that, torture, rendition and suspension of trial rights, Yoo is being protected by the Obama "Just us" department from lawsuits filed against him to prosecute him for his OBVIOUSLY woeful interpretation of "Executive Privledge".  Obama hasn't undone the damage of the "Patriot" act.  You should look up FEMA coffins on youtube.  Watch those videos and you'll have no doubt on where this is all headed.  FEMA is storing millions of "casket liners" outside major cities.  They're big enough to fit about 8-10 adults per casket liner.

Beyond that OBAMA is now a war criminal.  The regular bombing in Pakistan is an act of war against a nation with whom the US has made no declaration of war.

I recognize Obama as a war criminal from his days in the senate when he sat quietly while US forces used white phorphorous against civilians in Iraq.  White Phosphorous is banned as a weapon, even against militaries.  It was used though to melt flesh to bone across whole neighborhoods in Falujah, Iraq.  There has yet been any convictions, no trial, not even an inquiry.  The whole congress is guilty of abetting this war crime.

Chris Hemenway wrote:
Hmmmmm. Now we must really question you then huh Mr Labelle.  it seems to me that the film simply presented the plain fact evidence that Obama is the NEXT front man for the New World Order. Bush was the last one, and under his supervision as "manager" of the United States 9/11 happened. Yes these criminals should be prosecuted. But right now, your mind set is going to land you in an internment camp sir.  Your inability to see through the Obama facade is sad and very scary because you already SHOULD know that the Globalist Controllers Cartel (the New World Order) funded 9/11; but also funded both world wars, Mao, Stalin, and dozens of other murdering dictator regimes.  Do you not get it? Obama got his money and support from MURDERERS who openly want you and millions of other people dead. He has appointed viscious people to ruin America. Point blank end of story-no hope there my friend.  The hope and change that you are waiting
 for is the same
as
that of Adolf H
itler. If you don't like Alex Jones presentation, look at it from other perspectives and analyze the facts for yourself. EVEN IF Obama had good intentions, he would NOT be able to do anything good. The Military Industrial Complex is in control... That is they have the last say on real issues. Come on man. Please don't insult us by "hoping" Obama will fix everything for you/us/everyone. I don't know and cannot prove Obama's involvement in 9/11, but I can see that his controllers are capable of executing another horrible attack under the Obama administration. You should fight with us to wake people up and work to prevent worse events from happening. That is our obligation with the knowledge that we have and I really feel like you are disgracing this responsibility with ignorant posts such as those pointing out flaws in truth pieces such as this movie The Obama Deception rather than exploiting its positive potential. You
are
entitled to your opinion, but your opinions reall
y make me question your motives and integrity. That is my opinion.


Long live freedom!


-Chris
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: michael labelle <[address removed]>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar[masked]:06:42
To: <[address removed]>
Subject: RE: [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones; BUNK I say and I
like Alex usually



all ye truthers seem to be so eager to bash Obama. I watched this entire movie and failed to see any direct evidence that Obama himself is part of some kind of new world order conspiracy to take our
freedoms away. So what if he's well loved by so many people? I
don't find
that strange considering the unspeakably horrid presidency that preceded him. what are we doing going after him for when clearly the enemies of freedom and truth, the real perpetrators of the 911 attacks, (the prior administration) is walking away, probably laughing, at the way truthers are now going after Obama, as if he's the culprit. I wonder what is really behind this and am disappointed with the alex jones crowd for it's sensationalistic smearing of obama with very little real or credible facts to support it's claim that he's just as bad somehow as what preceded him, and in fact resulted in his huge mandate. this reminds me of how iditotic and misplaced our war on drugs is and how
marijuana in particular is sensationalized as some kind of dangerous drug when it is obvious it is our own govt and corporate induced influence that has kept so many of us in the dark about the relative harmlessness of an innocent plant, the taxation
and legalization
of which increasingly makes COMMON SENSE especially with an economy in freefall. what are we wasting our time for on "the OBama deception". In my opinion he's a sincere man with a huge mandate; we should be working with someone like that, until proven guilty, instead of smearing him with very little actual hard evidence to support all this negativity. just because he has a few wall street types and Bryrzinki advising him does not make him some kind of criminal. I think he's trying his best in a world that is heavily controlled by corporate and military cronies (and AIPAC!) that he figures he'd better include that have working directly against him; but he's on the side of the people I
believe; I have to believe. And alex Jones's film did not prove to me in any way that Obama is against us or the truth.


--- On Sat, 3/14/09, Glenn A. Aho <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Glenn A. Aho <[address removed]>
Subject: RE: [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones
To: [address removed]
Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:12 AM
Yes, I am interested as well



Thanks



Glenn

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On
Behalf Of Gina
Sent: Thursday, March 12,[masked]:39
PM
To: [address removed]
Subject:
[[masked]]
The Obama Deception by Alex Jones



If anyone is interesting in this movie contact me and I
will share my p2p with you to get it. I also have all of
Alex Jone���s movies���


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