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RE: Attn: Eric [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones; BUNK I say and Ilike Alex usually

From: user 3.
Sent on: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:18 AM
Obama voted for FISA in violation of Amendment IV.


From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of zekar
Sent: Monday, March 16,[masked]:33 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: Attn: Eric [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones; BUNK I say and Ilike Alex usually

anybody wanna write me personally and gimme the low-down on this Dan guy, since i'm new here and all? he seems to have a major chip on his shoulder with all the attitude he is spouting out.
MAYBE HE IS THE CIA!!!!

lol

and btw, "the crime of September 11th was OBVIOUSLY committed by career criminals. "
oh yea, so obvious, that's why we need a 911 truth movement to spread the word
lol

funny shit..



On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Dan <[address removed]> wrote:
Well, Mike, like I was saying, the crime of September 11th was OBVIOUSLY committed by career criminals.  Of the Bush ilk.  What I've read connecting Obama to 9/11 sounded hollow to me.  His connection to 9/11 is that he is now presiding over the coverup, refusing to investigate, providing the criminals who scrapped the constitution protection by his "justice" department.

AND he's now ruling under the criminal laws that the primary criminal suspects of 9/11 established by 9/11.  He's been doing that.  If now he seeks to prosecute Bush for illegal wire tapping, the criminal war in Iraq, the criminality of the war against Afghanistan, bombing civilians indiscriminately, use of white phosphorous on civilians, he would have to prosecute himself too, because he's carrying on all the same criminality and he'd have also to prosecute himself for obstruction of justice for not on his first day establishing a prosecutor to convict Bush.

His crimes are many.  The attacks on Pakistan were attacks on a sovereign nation with whom we have no declaration of war.  That is a war crime.  Obama is a war criminal president.
Did you not follow ANY Of the links I sent you.  Because I sent you links that proved all this by the word of journalists and Ralph Nader and various experts on international law and the crimes of which Obama is now guilty.  You're starting to sound like a broken record and I already sent you all the evidence you should need to understand what I'm saying here is bona fide.
What does it matter if he voted against the war that he already knew was going to pass.  The act, pun intended, would during his presidential run seem to lend him credibility, no?  But what's he doing now, he's regularly dropping bombs on a nuclear armed country where the officials have told him unequivocally to desist.  By such he's killed many women and children.  And it's not even Afghani's any more that are being targeted.  It's members of Pakistani tribes.  Certain of our congressmen are now saying for every 1 that might be killed 5-10 more join the fight.  It's the same thing that's been witnessed in Afghanistan where our troops encounter more resistance as our pilots kill more women and children.  Which is the same thing that was observed in Iraq, and I'm pretty sure in every war there ever was.

It's a classic example of what was espoused by Machiavelli who all first year poly science majors study.  "The promise made satisfied a requirement.  The promise broken satisfied another requirement."  That's in the coursework Obama studied in college.  Machiavelli is taught as supposed political genius.  Obama made it seem like war would be greatly reduced during his presidency, he's doing exactly the opposite.  By bombing in Pakistan he's expanding fresh fighters to the cause of eradicating the empire.  Plus he's setting up a scapegoat for the nuclear attrocity the US government has planned.  Because we've bombed nuclear empowered Pakistan and have been so antagonistic to newly nuclear Iran, the American people will have to accept the should shrug of the Fed Gov after truck bombs detonate in a bunch of US cities.  Then they'll be compelled to launch wars of aggression on anybody the government points the finger at.  I actually suspect those bombs will be air blasts but locally launched.  And they're probably going to be 300 megaton russian nuclear warheads fitted to some cheap lofting device.  Though the CIA says the most likely US nuclear atrocity will be a truck bomb.  I just know they're trying to have a higher kill ratio than they'll get with a bomb sitting on the ground in the middle of a bunch of steel buildings.  Perhaps following the nuclear blasts the US will launch a strike, then suffer a strike and that'll be thorough devastation they're aiming for, BUT!  Even that will allow lots of people to get underground and survive.  So to keep with Machiavelli in this next quote:

"Well used are those cruelties (if it is permitted to speak well of evil) that are carried out in a single stroke, done out of necessity to protect oneself..." Niccolo Machiavelli

Really they're going to have to do the whole country by local blasts.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=fema+coffins&aq=f


michael labelle wrote:
Fellow truthers,
Just wanted to say I support what the moderator said and glad you don't want to throw me out because I like Obama more than what preceded him. That's all I am saying really. If he's NO BETTER than BUSH/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Carlyle Group/ISI/Haliburton/the Mossad/Aipac etc than so be it; I am certainly open to your evidence, but the vitriol against him seems to be misdirected. I'd be interested though in any direct evidence that he's somehow complicit in the staged events of the 9-11 attacks and what followed. He is one of the few that voted initially against Bush's war, no?
M


--- On Mon, 3/16/09, michael delaney <[address removed]> wrote:

 
From: michael delaney <[address removed]>
Subject: RE: Attn: Eric [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones; BUNK I say and Ilike Alex usually
To: [address removed]
Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 11:52 AM
Dan, absolutely fabulous point.  Know the truth and you are invincible. All the bullshitting
and ad-hominem
attacking will bouce right off the ironsides of the USS
Battleship TRUTH!!!
 FOCUS ALL FORWARD FIREPOWER ON THAT SUPER STAR DESTROYER,
aka THE NEW WORLD
ORDER!!!

 _____  
From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On
Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Monday, March 16,[masked]:42 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Attn: Eric [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex
Jones; BUNK I say
and Ilike Alex usually


I don't see why it's better for Mike to leave. Even if he's CIA, the little
people at the CIA are the people whose ears we need to be
in.  99.9% of them
have been doused in BS.  If we're able to dissolve
their misinformed state
we might deliver someone who might survive this mess to a
place in time and
position of knowledge to take action that saves many.

By alienating people you loose your capacity to influence
them.  If your
mind is strong, you have good info, then what do you have
to fear from the
misinformed?  
Obviously Mike hasn't been reading up on Obama. Peacenik Democrats, antiwar
activists, pretty much anyone who is paying attention to
world events, that
I've spoken to, recognizes Obama is in the pocket of
the Oligarchy.  For
Mike to come on here trying to sway people to Obamabothood
speaks to his
being far out of touch with reality and the street.  I
can't think of a
better place for him to get an education on what the US
federal government
is all about, mass murder.

If we send him out of here and he keeps getting his info
from the other
side, he'll not only wind up a murder statistic,
he'll probably influence
bunches of people to go that route along with him.  Even if
he denies the
undeniable facts of the situation, that we put in his brain
what the reality
is, is what's important.  It might take witnessing the
nuclear catastrophe
the Fed Gov has in the works, for him to arrive at the real
meaning of all
the "shovel ready" talk, but at some point
he'll come to realize what we
were saying here is real.  Maybe he'll survive it and
whistle blow, maybe
he'll train a bead on the most murderous some day and
turn the whole planet
around.  If we send him away though, we loose.  We loose
our capacity to
expand understanding of the truth.  Perhaps some of his
delusions are more
common on this thread than we imagine and what's being
said about Obama is
an eye opener for more than just Mike.  Regardless it's
good to practice the
talking points by email, so we have what to say to these
Obamabots
immediately on their revealing their disinformational
status.

So, for the record, Daniel Vincent Kelley is one truther
who is against
censoring people from this group for voicing their
political beliefs.

If they were showing up to every meetup shouting down 9/11
truthism with a
megaphone, that would be pretty tough to tolerate.  But
really we should in
that situation just get a PA system with 12 inch speakers. Sending some
email that is an expression of political delusion, it seems
to me, does not
rise to the level of banishment.  60+% of the population
right now thinks
Obama is a nice guy, he has their approval.  Generally
Truthers are a bit
more in tune.  But I don't remember seeing Obama being
discussed on here
before.  I can understand how Mike may have eaten up the
disinformation
that's being pushed in the major media.  I know
I've read enough about him
and his cabinet to be nauseated for centuries by their ilk.
 It seems to me
we should be sending Mike links to where he can read about
who Obama really
is and what Obama is really upto.  Everything I read Mike
thought was good
about Obama is Major Media pushed hogwash.  As truthers I
feel it's our
obligation and in everyone's best interest to educate
the disinformed, not
to alienate the disinformed.







Eric_The_Freeway_Blogger wrote:

Michael

I'd like to make a suggestion and that is you leave the
9-11 truth movement
and refrain from posting on this meetup group.

Whether you are aware or not you are a distraction to the
energy of everyone
who is making an effort to be part of the truth movement.

Good bye and Good Luck Michael !

Eric


----- Original Message -----
From: "michael labelle" To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones;
BUNK I say and
Ilike Alex usually
Date: Sun, 15 Mar[masked]:58:46 -0400


yeah but I still prefer obama to bush by at least a factor
of ten, even if
they are of "the same category" and ten bucks was
just a token amount since
I wasn't exactly enthusiastic. but now that he's in
there he seems to be
going in a better direction that anyone else who had a
chance of getting in
there. I'm just trying to be realistic. I don't
think there is enough proof
that he's as evil minded as the last ones, and he seems
to be trying to take
us in a more sustainable direction, longterm. I think if
there isn't some
stimulus the system could come crashing down in an even
more unpleasant way.
what would you have the president do, nothing? Just let
"the market" handle
it's own; at this point; that is so naive. It's the
unbridled market, and
it's ethos of get it all now and screw the other, that
brough the whole
house of cards crashing down. I for one am glad there's
a man with a brain
and a desire to do the right thing for the vast majority
out there, at least
I haven't been convinced that he's against that
vast majority by his
rhetoric as well as some of his early actions. give the guy
a chance, why is
that make some of you recoil so much? do you really think
he's as bad as the
obvious villains that thought we were stupid enough to
believe the lie of
911, which they were clearly behind? Obama even tried to
appoint a fair
minded person recently who opposed some of israels'
policies and his
nomination was nipped in the bud by AIPAC with nary a peep
about it in the
mainstream media. Look what Obama is up against; I fail to
see how he's in
the same category as that! You thinkevery politician has
been corrupted
except Ron Paul probably, according to this kind of
thinking. well I love
Ron Paul too and shook his hand in NH, but that doesn't
mean I have to hate,
resent, or reject obama; in fact I admire him for the fight
it took just to
gain hold of the reigns of power; though you would probably
say that was a
set up too? i think it was more of a ground swell and you
just can't accept
it

--- On Sun, 3/15/09, jeebsy <[address removed]>
wrote:



From: jeebsy <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones;
BUNK I say and
Ilike Alex usually
To: [address removed]
Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:45 PM


Michael,

McCain, Bush, Obama, The Jonas Brothers, they are all in
the same category.
Sorry Charlie, you and many of our fellow brothers and
sisters were
successfully duped out of their 10 bucks.

Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling
to learn.
-Benjamin Franklin



 _____  
From: michael labelle <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 8:32:38 PM
Subject: Re: [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones;
BUNK I say and
Ilike Alex usually


ditto to what I just said then; according to this view, we
might as well
have mccain as president, or still bush/cheney.
--- On Sun, 3/15/09, Dan <[address removed]>
wrote:



From: Dan <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones;
BUNK I say and
Ilike Alex usually
To: [address removed]
Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 3:21 PM


If you're so hyped up to see Bush prosecuted Mike, how
could you possibly
support Obama, who not only has no intention of prosecuting
war criminal
Bush, but is also entrenched in the powers he grabbed
against the writ of
the constitution?  Notice while Obama has pledged to
"look at" closing
Guantanamo, he's not even given lip service to
restoring Habeas Corpus.
Right now, ANY PERSON on the planet, can by whim of a
fascist dictator, be
abducted, held without charges indefinitely and renditioned
to torturous
states for egregious torture.  All of which Obama
hasn't made the least
promise to dissolve.  Yoo, the lawyer who told Bush he was
within rights to
do all of that, torture, rendition and suspension of trial
rights, Yoo is
being protected by the Obama "Just us" department
from lawsuits filed
against him to prosecute him for his OBVIOUSLY woeful
interpretation of
"Executive Privledge".  Obama hasn't undone
the damage of the "Patriot" act.
You should look up FEMA coffins on youtube.  Watch those
videos and you'll
have no doubt on where this is all headed.  FEMA is storing
millions of
"casket liners" outside major cities. They're big enough to fit about 8-10
adults per casket liner.

Beyond that OBAMA is now a war criminal.  The regular
bombing in Pakistan is
an act of war against a nation with whom the US has made no
declaration of
war.

I recognize Obama as a war criminal from his days in the
senate when he sat
quietly while US forces used white phorphorous against
civilians in Iraq.
White Phosphorous is banned as a weapon, even against
militaries.  It was
used though to melt flesh to bone across whole
neighborhoods in Falujah,
Iraq.  There has yet been any convictions, no trial, not
even an inquiry.
The whole congress is guilty of abetting this war crime.

Chris Hemenway wrote:
Hmmmmm. Now we must really question you then huh Mr
Labelle.  it seems to me
that the film simply presented the plain fact evidence that
Obama is the
NEXT front man for the New World Order. Bush was the last
one, and under his
supervision as "manager" of the United States
9/11 happened. Yes these
criminals should be prosecuted. But right now, your mind
set is going to
land you in an internment camp sir.  Your inability to see
through the Obama
facade is sad and very scary because you already SHOULD
know that the
Globalist Controllers Cartel (the New World Order) funded
9/11; but also
funded both world wars, Mao, Stalin, and dozens of other
murdering dictator
regimes.  Do you not get it? Obama got his money and
support from MURDERERS
who openly want you and millions of other people dead. He
has appointed
viscious people to ruin America. Point blank end of
story-no hope there my
friend.  The hope and change that you are waiting for is
the same

 as

 that of Adolf H

itler.  If you don't like Alex Jones presentation, look
at it from other
perspectives and analyze the facts for yourself.  EVEN IF
Obama had good
intentions, he would NOT be able to do anything good.  The
Military
Industrial Complex is in control... That is they have the
last say on real
issues.  Come on man. Please don't insult us by
"hoping" Obama will fix
everything for you/us/everyone.  I don't know and
cannot prove Obama's
involvement in 9/11, but I can see that his controllers are
capable of
executing another horrible attack under the Obama
administration. You should
fight with us to wake people up and work to prevent worse
events from
happening. That is our obligation with the knowledge that
we have and I
really feel like you are disgracing this responsibility
with ignorant posts
such as those pointing out flaws in truth pieces such as
this movie The
Obama Deception rather than exploiting its positive
potential. You

 are

 entitled to your opinion, but your opinions reall

y make me question your motives and integrity. That is my
opinion.





Long live freedom!





-Chris

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile



-----Original Message-----

From: michael labelle  <mailto:[address removed]>
<[address removed]>



Date: Sat, 14 Mar[masked]:06:42
To:  <mailto:[address removed]>
<[address removed]>

Subject: RE: [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones;
BUNK I say and I

 like Alex usually







all ye truthers seem to be so eager to bash Obama. I
watched this entire
movie and failed to see any direct evidence that Obama
himself is part of
some kind of new world order conspiracy to take our

 freedoms away. So what if he's well loved by so many
people? I

 don't find

 that strange considering the unspeakably horrid presidency
that preceded
him. what are we doing going after him for when clearly the
enemies of
freedom and truth, the real perpetrators of the 911
attacks, (the prior
administration) is walking away, probably laughing, at the
way truthers are
now going after Obama, as if he's the culprit. I wonder
what is really
behind this and am disappointed with the alex jones crowd
for it's
sensationalistic smearing of obama with very little real or
credible facts
to support it's claim that he's just as bad somehow
as what preceded him,
and in fact resulted in his huge mandate. this reminds me
of how iditotic
and misplaced our war on drugs is and how

 marijuana in particular is sensationalized as some kind of
dangerous drug
when it is obvious it is our own govt and corporate induced
influence that
has kept so many of us in the dark about the relative
harmlessness of an
innocent plant, the taxation

 and legalization

 of which increasingly makes COMMON SENSE especially with
an economy in
freefall. what are we wasting our time for on "the
OBama deception". In my
opinion he's a sincere man with a huge mandate; we
should be working with
someone like that, until proven guilty, instead of smearing
him with very
little actual hard evidence to support all this negativity.
just because he
has a few wall street types and Bryrzinki advising him does
not make him
some kind of criminal. I think he's trying his best in
a world that is
heavily controlled by corporate and military cronies (and
AIPAC!) that he
figures he'd better include that have working directly
against him; but he's
on the side of the people I

 believe; I have to believe. And alex Jones's film did
not prove to me in
any way that Obama is against us or the truth.





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From: Glenn A. Aho  <mailto:[address removed]>
<[address removed]>

Subject: RE: [[masked]] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones

To: [address removed]

Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:12 AM

Yes, I am interested as well



 


Thanks



 


Glenn



From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On

Behalf Of Gina

Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:39

 PM

To: [address removed]

Subject:

 [[masked]]

 The Obama Deception by Alex Jones



 


If anyone is interesting in this movie contact me and I

will share my p2p with you to get it. I also have all of

Alex Jone's movies.




Regards,



Gina










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