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Re: [atheists-8] religion and pre-history

From: user 7.
Sent on: Saturday, October 18, 2008 9:11 PM
that sure makes sense to me

On Oct 18, 2008, at 9:07 PM, Cameron wrote:

> Maybe he was an alien in a spaceship.
>
> Cameron
> [address removed]
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> On Oct 18, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Joy <[address removed]> wrote:
>
>> I like to look at everything, see what makes logical sense, think  
>> about how human nature figures into it all, other people's  
>> opinions, stories handed down that may or may not be factual...  
>> See what kind of Big Picture I can come up with, and then  
>> constantly adapt it.
>>
>> Some of those stories in the bible seem just too simple and  
>> specific to be pulled out of thin air (every story starts with  
>> SOMETHING). I read _Chariots of the Gods_ by Erik von Daniken a  
>> long time ago, and the main thing I remember from it is the  
>> passage in Job (I looked it up in the King James version) about  
>> Jehovah coming in a silver bird that landed on wheels and spit  
>> fire. It all fits together handily -- the scraggly tribe whose  
>> technology was limited to the materials found in their immediate  
>> environment, an ego-maniacal person from some other time/place who  
>> had no scruples about exploiting these people's fear and  
>> amazement, the relatively short time that Jehovah was there with  
>> them and thereafter he sent "angels" to do his business... Looks  
>> like the silver-bird folks had set up a whole enterprise there,  
>> and when they eventually got tired of the game, the power-mad  
>> humans took over, perpetuating the story, coming up with "reasons"  
>> for why Jehovah wouldn't bother to show his face any more, etc.
>>
>> Other stories in the bible are just ridiculously fantastic in any  
>> sense of reality, like the plagues on the Egyptians. But those  
>> stories would sure serve as "proof" of God's power, to gullible  
>> people who bought into the whole idea put forth to them by the  
>> religious authorities. People have always exaggerated, over and  
>> over, stories that started out with some basis in fact -- or that  
>> were completely made-up, but still got exaggerated.
>>
>> And I'm sure we all know the Christians' propensity for taking  
>> traditions from other religions, worming their way into the culture.
>>
>> Joy
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Abby wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joy,
>>>
>>> Just out of curiosity (and to start a thread on a fresh topic),  
>>> what ancient
>>> experience do you think led to the Jehovah character?
>>>
>>> I remember reading something about how ancient Egyptians never  
>>> mention
>>> anything in their record-keeping about slaves or plagues.  But  
>>> there was a
>>> group of nomads-turned-mercer­naries called the "Habiru."  I like  
>>> the theory
>>> that this diverse group of people stood up to the Egyptian  
>>> theocracy, and
>>> the tale of their revolt grew out of proportion and became the  
>>> tale of the
>>> Hebrews leaving Egypt.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikiped...­
>>>
>>> There are also a lot of parallels between the myth of Jesus and  
>>> the myth of
>>> Horus.  Both begotten by a virgin, both the sole son of God/ 
>>> Osiris, both
>>> shepherds, both persecuted, both walked on water, resisted  
>>> temptation,
>>> restored sight to the blind, and raised a dead man from the  
>>> grave.  Both
>>> crucified and resurrected.
>>>
>>> http://www.religi...­
>>>
>>> ~Abby
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Joy
>>> All atheists think that there is no "higher power". I fall under  
>>> this broad
>>> category of "atheist". If you look closer, one difference between  
>>> me and
>>> some other atheists is that I think the Jehovah character is  
>>> actually based
>>> on something those ancient, primitive humans experienced. Some other
>>> atheists instantly dismiss any possibility of that. But we all  
>>> are in that
>>> generalized group that doesn't believe in any gods, and just  
>>> because of
>>> that, there are a lot of ideas and attitudes we all share, and  
>>> some of them
>>> are probably much more far-reaching than we realize.
>>>
>>> Joy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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