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Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of the Union?

From: user 4.
Sent on: Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:57 AM
Hey All,

Seems to me that the discussion has drifted a bit. I'd like to take advantage of the drift and direct the discussion to a route  that is of more interest for me; hopefully it will be of interest to you. I want to claim that the real issues are not "personal." They are actually political and  related to the separation of Church and State.

So, to get started...:) If you "ran" into my Facebook you will notice that I list "I live by my own set of secular commandments," as an answer to the rubric:"Religion." Trivially, one of my (I think I had 13 at some point) commandments is the "golden rule." Another one (or two), is that adults can do any thing they wish as long as it: 1) complies with the law (state laws, Federal laws, etc.) , 2) does not inflict any physical or mental damage on other human beings, 3) it does not expose the environment to un-justified "abuse."  Hence, I do not care what is your (anybody else) religion or any other subjective beliefs and rituals all I care is that you "keep it to yourself."

This is just the starting point to a few statements (my own statements) that are probaly more contraverstial and can be deveolped later.  I am looking forward to constructive remarks. But, before leaving the stage here is a bit more about myself:

First, I am Jewish by birth and "apathetic" by my own definition. Born in Israel, "The Jewish Country," and despite being apathetic, I had to go through bible and biblical study up until matriculation. Along with math, literature, and history, bible was one of five compulsory areas in the high school matriculation examination.

As you can already figure the state / church separation in Israel is not so good. Per my judgment the separation in the US (which is quite defieient) is much better.

Next, let me "throw" a few random items.

I enjoyed reading the bible. My interest, however, was limited to enjoying the bible as a piece of art and as a document with historical value. In any case, due to my love of reading the bible I became relatively knowledgeable in biblical study. As such, I noticed a lot of misconceptions about the bible in some recent remarks.  In fact my grade in biblical study in the matriculation exam is higher than my grades in math and science which were and are my current occupation, passion, and hobby.

Born and lived in Jerusalem, I was exposed to a lot of items and artifacts related to Christianity. For example, I think that I have been about 20 times in each of the "stations" in the "Via DE La Rosa." On the other hand, my knowledge about Christianity is limited to the way it is portrayed in the "Da Vinci Code."

I'll stop here. I will be glad to hear from you, touch on the definition of "apathetic", and add more of my experiences and points of view.

Cheers,

Dan


On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Cameron <[address removed]> wrote:
How profound. That was deep. What can I say, my Iphone doesn't have spellcheck. Of course you probably don't need spellcheck, I'm sure you know how to spell all of those 2 dollar words. 

Cameron 
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On Oct 19, 2008, at 12:17 AM, Marissa <[address removed]> wrote:

I wasn't even counting your incorrect use of 'your' and misspelling of 'evidance', not even when you misquote your "deliberate misspelling" in your first reply.  It wouldn't matter to me usually, but it makes you look doubly unintelligent when you take a group of people whose moral behavior can't be generalized--doctors--and not only try to assert that they all act according to some arbitrary standard of behavior (which you alone decided without presenting any evidence), but you can't even express yourself accurately.   To me, your inattention to spelling and grammar only emphasizes your lazy thinking. 

And it's "atheist". 

Remember the "burden of proof" idea should extend to all logical ideas and allowing excessive emotion or former slights enter your analysis tend cloud your judgment.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Cameron <[address removed]> wrote:
Wow, so much for calling athiests brights. It was a play on words. Hypocritical and hippocratic = hipocratical.  How was my grammar, punctuation, and spelling?  

Cameron 
[address removed]


On Oct 18, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Marissa <[address removed]> wrote:

It's the Hippocratic oath.  If you're going to make insulting generalizations about a diverse, multi-faceted group of people you might as well get the spelling right when you're doing it.
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 1:53 AM, Cameron <[address removed]> wrote:
Oh, I see, your a doctor then?  Just more ammo for my arsenal of evidance confirming just how disconnected docs are from those working in allied and nursing. Sure you guys will say whatever you think someone wants to hear. After all, that's how best to milk every last buck. Way to uphold the hypocratical oath.

Cameron
[address removed]


On Oct 18, 2008, at 1:42 AM, Cameron  <[address removed]> wrote:

Do you (C.J.) actually work in health care, or does merely knowing docs make you an expert on the subject of religions influence in healthcare?

Cameron
[address removed]


On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:00 PM, "C.J." <[address removed]> wrote:

I wouldn't worry about it (religious affiliated hospitals); I have a couple
of friends who are doctors at St. David's and they are not religious. It
doesn't seem to play any role in decision making at ground level...
occasionally some doctor's may use religion when talking to a relative about
someone who's just passed, i.e. "He/She is in a better place now, but
sometimes even non-religious doctors do this if they think it will make
things hurt less...  I've said it when I knew the person I was talking too
believed...

I doubt it really effects the quality of care you get in Austin though.

Now would I go to a Mormon hospital in Utah and admit I was agnostic....
No...  but in Austin I am not really concerned....




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