On 05/08/[masked]:03 PM, Zachary Bos wrote:
>> Have you read Chris's book, John? Or else whereof is your knowledge of his work? I happen to be familiar with PZ's criticism's of the HCH crowd, and find of them depends on misconstrual.
Yes, I have read it, and have mixed feelings. I also know Chris and
Greg, and appreciate their positive efforts while disagreeing with
their criticisms of "toxic atheism" or "atheist fundamentalists".
> It's a big tent movement, secularism... room enough for all sorts of
projects and priorities. What helps most is that we show good will
(without ceding the right to constructive criticism) to the people who
share our most basic goal. That goal, for most nonbelievers I know, is
not the eradication of religion, but a change in the culture such that
atheism is no longer politically and socially devalued.
Yes and no. I believe that *humanism* should be a big tent, in
which *anti-religious* atheists are included. With regard to
"our most basic goal" or ultimate goal, as it were, I would
like to see a rational world -- one without superstition
of any kind. I agree with Bertrand Russell:
My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard
it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold
misery to the human race. I cannot, however, deny that
it has made some contributions to civilization. It helped
in early days to fix the calendar, and it caused Egyptian
priests to chronicle eclipses with such care that in time
they became able to predict them. These two services I am
prepared to acknowledge, but I do not know of any others.