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Re: [atheists-59] BAM/HH

From: MJ ☥ ח.
Sent on: Sunday, April 22, 2007 10:36 AM
Yeah, I know.  I'm a Jew.  We're everywhere.  No kidding.  But, there
are many others, and just because the leadership is Jewish, I don't
see why this event should make an exception about the non-theistic
event just for Jewish accomodation.

One of the speakers said that this rational thought came out from
Christianity.  The Reformation and the Renaissance which followed
which were not Jewish movements.

I know we get this idea in our heads that Jews aren't religious
anymore.  When you get up here, let's go to Brookline...

Were you here yesterday for the morning recital by the Rabbi and the
book about "A Devotion to Life" and then the presentation at the
synagogue last night?

Sherwin Wine was right about how people hold on to the practices of
the past and culture, but the people coming from other religious
backgrounds seem to be able to keep it at bay at the conference.

Just saw E. O. Wilson speak and he was raised in the South as a
Christian, he joked about it.

Rushdie apparently had some affiliation with Islam.

There was a Chinese professor and an Indian.  The other groups didn't
seem to need to do any homage to the cultural and religious heritage.

Used to place a lot of emphasis on my identity.  Now, I think it's
just bullshit.  Who cares?!  Isn't this supposed to be about rational
thought and being scientific?!

On 4/22/07, Jason <[address removed]> wrote:
> I'm still lurking a bit on this list as I haven't quite moved up to
> Boston yet, but I'm coming in and I'm excited to be involved (as much
> my traveling job will allow).
> I hadn't heard about any exclusion of atheism at the conference, but I
> would advise moderation.  The event is focused on Humanism and leans
> toward an inclusive rather than exclusive nontheist view.  It's a
> branding issue for the event for this time, not really a hard-line
> division.  For what it's worth, my understanding is that Greg has been
> trying to suck those words back into his mouth.  He shouldn't have
> said it because of the media issues involved, but Dawkins and other
> similar 'anti-theists' would agree that their statements are
> inflammatory.  They're not apologetic about it and the intent is to
> positively change minds.  The sound bite was blown up so I would put
> more blame on the (Christian) media.
> I'm active with many nontheist organizations, and it's a shame when we
> focus on our divisions.  I support the idea that we forgive HH for
> it's more accomodationist approach, and we all agree that we are in
> the same group, just at opposite ends.
> ps. There's a jew at/near the top of AA, IHS, CFA, SCA, MRFF, maybe
> AEU...  I love 'em and it's only natural we're seeing more
> involvement.  The Jewish religion as a whole has nearly given up god,
> so they have a perspective on atheism that is easy for the religious
> to understand.
> Jason Torpy
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