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Re: [humanism-174] Re: new member update

From: Josh
Sent on: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:24 AM
Mark -

You could not be more wrong about Israel! I don't know why so many Americans have this view of Israel being a dogmatic theocracy that stifles innovation. Israel is as much a theocracy as England or France.  Israel is also a world leader in microprocessors, nano and bio technology, medical technology, and especially irrigation.

Here is a long but great pdf article from Cnet (news.com) about technology in Israel:

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/ne/sr06/israel/IsraelTech.pdf

"It would be a vast understatement to say that technology is big in Israel. Nine out of every 1,000 people
employed in the country work in research and development, nearly double the R&D rate in the United
States or Germany. Of every 10,000 individuals, 135 are scientists or engineers
."

Israel also has one of the highest rates of atheism (non-belief in a personal god) of any country in the world! I was shocked myself when I heard that one!

On Jan 23,[masked]:06 AM, Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote:
I know quite a few Hindus, and none of their intellects seem to be held hostage by religious irrationality.
 
Many of the greatest minds of the Enlightenment were Christians- so were some of humanity's greatest leaders. (Sorry, Washington/Jefferson/Franklin/Lincoln do NOT count as Christians).
 
During the late Dark Ages/Middle Ages, many important discoveries in astronomy, etc. were made by Muslims. (They all seem to have "Ibn" as part of their names!)
 
So why does religion, in general, seem so intellect-stunting? Why is much of the mideast (including Israel) a human wasteland? Why are so many people in this country not willing (or not able) to look beyond that darned book, the Bible? Why do mythologies persist, and taint the quest for knowledge?
On Jan 22,[masked]:26 PM, Josh <[address removed]> wrote:
Well, you don't have to do much research to see Judaism's opinion on Intellectualism:
Spinoza
Einstein
Freud
Salk...

There are a few ultra orthodox sects that do discourage intellectualism, but for the most part it's greatly encouraged



On Jan 22,[masked]:58 PM, Sona <[address removed]> wrote:
The Dalai Lama has explicitly stated that when his contemplative beliefs conflict with neuroscience, he's always on the side of science.  I think he even collaborates with some academic professors on neuroscience research at universities throughout the US.  Especially research on the neural underpinnings of consciousness and the basic science of higher meditative states.

Sona



On Jan 22,[masked]:29 PM, Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote:
Point taken, Jan.
Might Buddhism & certain strains of Judaism also encourage true intellectual pursuits, rather than trying to force science to fit dogma?

On Jan 22,[masked]:53 PM, Jan <[address removed]> wrote:
Greetings, All!
 
In reference to the  Wendy Kaminer quote, I'd like to point out that not all religions discourage intellectual pursuits. 
 
Check out
 
~Jan
 




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