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Re: [humanism-174] advice on planning your funeral

From: Tim C.
Sent on: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:08 PM
That is one of MANY reasons to despise religion, but to be realistic, religion has always gone by the Basic Salesman's Creed: ABC (Always Be Closing)!
Tim Campbell
 
In a message dated 9/28/2012 8:25:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [address removed] writes:
That is my number one pet peeve about religious funerals.
It's a time to grieve and remember, not a fucking altar
call!

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 23:42:53 -0400
  Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote:
> A quick aside about funerals... two Saturdays ago, Marni
>& I attended the
> memorial service of the mother of a good friend in the
>group. The mother
> passed way too young at 61 :(
>
> Anyway- after saying some kind words about the deceased,
>the pastor
> launched into the part of Alice in Wonderland where
>Alice asks the Chesire
> Cat which way she should go. Then he abruptly said,
>"Now, for those of us
> who prefer non-fiction...", and proceeded to talk about
>Lord Jesus Christ &
> the "path" to get right with him :)
> On Sep 27,[masked]:28 PM, "Joanna"
><[address removed]> wrote:
>
>> Bah-humbug. I prefer to lean on memory and what does
>>remain; to count the
>> moments that I did have, rather than the ones I never
>>will.  To each their
>> own. Perhaps you will find your comfort one day.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *In Loving Memory of SSG Edward W. Carman
>> *Nov. 1976-Apr.2004 - US Army, 2/12 Cavalry
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Linas K Muliolis <[address removed]>
>> *To:* [address removed]
>> *Sent:* Thu, September 27,[masked]:54:19 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [humanism-174] advice on planning your
>>funeral
>>
>> Doesn't matter what remains, you will never interact
>>with that person
>> again....  :(
>> Not in the sense of meeting conscious mind with
>>conscious mind...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Joanna
>><[address removed]> wrote:
>>
>>>  Though you must lose, however, it is a comfort still
>>>that something
>>> remains. The person, I must disagree, does live on; not
>>>in its own
>>> consciousness, but within those...you know where I'm
>>>going with that.
>>>
>>> I say a person who was loved is never gone.
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> * From: * Linas K Muliolis <[address removed]>;
>>> * To: * <[address removed]>;
>>> * Subject: * Re: [humanism-174] advice on planning your
>>>funeral
>>> * Sent: * Thu, Sep 27,[masked]:46:18 PM
>>>
>>>   It's really cool and all, but still, the
>>>consciousness, the person, is
>>> still not the same as the energy and atoms, etc...
>>>
>>> That will forever be gone...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:41 PM, sheri presloid
>>><[address removed]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> You made my day, Joanna!  I am glad that you got the
>>>>same reaction I
>>>> did.
>>>>
>>>> I lost seven people (including my mother and best
>>>>friend) since July
>>>> 2011.  I found this so comforting and thought of the
>>>>material things that I
>>>> have from my mother and friend and I will look at those
>>>>objects in a
>>>> different way.   :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Joanna
>>>><[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wow. That is beautiful and, when I think of those lost
>>>>>to me, I am
>>>>> comforted. Thank you for sharing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
>>>>>
>>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>> * From: * sheri presloid <[address removed]>;
>>>>> * To: * <[address removed]>;
>>>>> * Subject: * [humanism-174] advice on planning your
>>>>>funeral
>>>>> * Sent: * Thu, Sep 27, [masked]:14:28 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>   I was listening to The Thinking Atheist podcast on An
>>>>>Atheist
>>>>> Funeral and he ended the episode with an email from a
>>>>>listener who sent in
>>>>> the following.  I googled it and it was on NPR
>>>>> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4675953.
>>>>> I
>>>>> thought it was just perfect.  This is from 2005, so this
>>>>>might have been
>>>>> repeated.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Commentator Aaron Freeman isn't a person who does much
>>>>>planning
>>>>> ahead. However, if you like to look ahead to the future,
>>>>>he has some advice
>>>>> for you, advice on planning your funeral.*
>>>>>
>>>>> AARON FREEMAN:
>>>>>
>>>>> You want a physicist to speak at your funeral. You want
>>>>>the physicist
>>>>> to talk to your grieving family about the conservation
>>>>>of energy, so they
>>>>> will understand that your energy has not died. You want
>>>>>the physicist to
>>>>> remind your sobbing mother about the first law of
>>>>>thermodynamics; that no
>>>>> energy gets created in the universe, and none is
>>>>>destroyed. You want your
>>>>> mother to know that all your energy, every vibration,
>>>>>every Btu of heat,
>>>>> every wave of every particle that was her beloved child
>>>>>remains with her in
>>>>> this world. You want the physicist to tell your weeping
>>>>>father that amid
>>>>> energies of the cosmos, you gave as good as you got.
>>>>>
>>>>> And at one point you'd hope that the physicist would
>>>>>step down from the
>>>>> pulpit and walk to your brokenhearted spouse there in
>>>>>the pew and tell him
>>>>> that all the photons that ever bounced off your face,
>>>>>all the particles
>>>>> whose paths were interrupted by your smile, by the touch
>>>>>of your hair,
>>>>> hundreds of trillions of particles, have raced off like
>>>>>children, their
>>>>> ways forever changed by you. And as your widow rocks in
>>>>>the arms of a
>>>>> loving family, may the physicist let her know that all
>>>>>the photons that
>>>>> bounced from you were gathered in the particle detectors
>>>>>that are her eyes,
>>>>> that those photons created within her constellations of
>>>>>electromagnetically
>>>>> charged neurons whose energy will go on forever.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the physicist will remind the congregation of how
>>>>>much of all our
>>>>> energy is given off as heat. There may be a few fanning
>>>>>themselves with
>>>>> their programs as he says it. And he will tell them that
>>>>>the warmth that
>>>>> flowed through you in life is still here, still part of
>>>>>all that we are,
>>>>> even as we who mourn continue the heat of our own lives.
>>>>>
>>>>> *And you'll want the physicist to explain to those who
>>>>>loved you that
>>>>> they need not have faith; indeed, they should not have
>>>>>faith. Let them know
>>>>> that they can measure, that scientists have measured
>>>>>precisely the
>>>>> conservation of energy and found it accurate, verifiable
>>>>>and consistent
>>>>> across space and time. You can hope your family will
>>>>>examine the evidence
>>>>> and satisfy themselves that the science is sound and
>>>>>that they'll be
>>>>> comforted to know your energy's still around. According
>>>>>to the law of the
>>>>> conservation of energy, not a bit of you is gone; you're
>>>>>just less orderly.
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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