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Re: [humanism-174] My reply to an email my sister forwarded to me.....

From: Chris K
Sent on: Sunday, November 25, 2012 11:05 AM
I didn't but at this point I'll just nod and smile. 


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On Nov 25, 2012, at 10:44 AM, "Mark R. Orel" <[address removed]> wrote:


No, I never changed context.  You are
the one who used religion in two
different contexts. 

M. Orel

By specious, do you mean: pleasing to the
sight?  If so, thank you. 

On[masked]:46, Chris K wrote:

Oh Mark, you're so funny. Are you being puposely specious?

You know the connotation that's being used yet choose to play semantic gymnastics.  


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On Nov 25, 2012, at 2:30 AM, "Mark R. Orel" <[address removed]> wrote:


I fear you are showing your ignorance of the
word.  Please note the First definition. 

1. That which is held as an established opinion;
esp., a definite and authoritative tenet, also a
code or formulation of such tenets, as by a
school of art or philosophy; as by pedagogical 
2. A doctrine or body of doctrines of theology and
and religion formally stated and authoritatively
proclaimed by a church or sect, esp., the
Roman Catholic Church. 

Of or characteristic or teachers or of teaching:
also pedagogical

M. Orel

On[masked]:25, Randy Pelton wrote:

Science has a dogma? Now you are showing real ignorance about science. Science has no dogma. There may be people who will present a scientific idea or conclusion in a dogmatic fashion. But this is not a trait of science itself. And to say otherwise is just plain bullshit. This is just more of your postmodernist nonsense leading you to make foolish statements. Science is one of the few means of acquiring knowledge that corrects its own errors. We certainly don't see that in theology.


From: Mark R. Orel <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Friday, November 23,[masked]:20 AM
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] My reply to an email my sister forwarded to me.....


Dogma, is a doctrine; tenet; belief. 
Ritual, a set form or system of rites,
religious or otherwise. 
Science, politics, humanism, all have
dogma and ritual, and spots even more

Religion does not require a supreme
being.  You are contradicting your own
assertion that the state can be a religion. 
"What always gets me is that people seem
to think that the Stalinist Russia and Maoist
China had no religion.  That couldn't be further
from the truth.  The state WAS the religion,
complete with unquestionable dogma, ritual,
and all the other accoutrements."

M. Orel

On [masked]:36, Chris K wrote:
Actually, no. 

There has to be dogma, a supreme being and ritual. 


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On Nov 23, 2012, at 2:58 AM, "Mark R. Orel" <[address removed]> wrote:


So you are using religion as,
any system of belief's, practices,
ethical values, etc., resembling,
suggestive of, or likened to such a
system.  In that humanism, science,
politics and anything else can be a

M. Orel

On [masked]:52, Chris K wrote:
No, the state was the religion. 

Whatever Hitler's true beliefs were (and what do we really know of anyone's?) we can refer to a hundred instances in which he portrays himself as a Christian and none in which he portrays himself as an atheist. 

I have never said the president wasn't as religious as he makes himself out to be although many have asserted it. 


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