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Re: [humanism-174] Now, about that God character... :)

From: Linas K M.
Sent on: Friday, December 7, 2012 5:46 AM
Way to go!  :)

Way to keep some fun and mystery in the holiday without enforcing fairy tales and myths! lol

Though I guess this approach won't last as many years, the memories might be better!



On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:03 AM, Heathen Gliebe <[address removed]> wrote:
Hello, I am Heathen Holiday of Ultragod.com. I have been enjoying the conversation here and thought I would share my idea that I am/have been doing with my six year old son. 

I told him that I don't believe that Santa Claus is real, so he needs to prove to me that he exists. Well, last year he was going to stay up and photograph him, but ended up falling asleep. He claimed because he saw bites taken out of the cookies that he left him, was the proof that Santa exists. I asked him how does he know it's not me or a mouse that did that?

So, this year, again, even though my son is completely aware that Jesus never existed and can tell you the names of the Gods of monotheism, in order of which religion was invented first (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) he has to try to "catch" Santa. 

So, I'm going to dress up in a Santa suit and make some loud enough racket and let him wake up and "catch" me. I'll let you know the outcome, if you're interested.

But anyway, it is sheer insanity that truth be punished, but this is what the "Empire of Lies" that we are all under depends on. They work day and night to keep their lie going, when they should be smart enough to know that eventually the truth comes out and they will be exposed as the liars that they are. 

The problem now is that Americans, specifically, have been so dumbed-down and affectively brainwashed by the monopolized media, that when they do get the truth, they either become hostile or don't care.

This will change, soon, though, as Transhumanism and technology literally force the sheep to wake up, as some of us who are awake and will defend truth and freedom till the end...are embracing the technology that is going to leave these biological fundamentalist zombie slaves in the dust, intellectually, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and financially.

There is a light at the end of this dark age, and it's here now.

Your fellow crack-slipper,

Heathen Holiday


"We are at the end of a definition of what a normal human being is."



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On Dec 6, 2012, at 6:49 PM, TC3 <[address removed]> wrote:

interesting article thanks.

I was a bit taken aback by this part

"As she gets older, I intend to tell her the various stories and myths surrounding Santa Claus, Saint Nick, etc. and the purpose behind those stories.  We will also discuss the different holidays celebrated during the winter and how those holidays came about."

I bet if she did a google search for Old Nick or Satvrnalia she wouldn't feel so optimistic. lol


On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Randy Pelton <[address removed]> wrote:
Will watch these as soon as I can. In the meantime, I decided not to wait to explore the matter. I ran across a piece written in 2009 by Reba Boyd Wooden, executive director of the Indiana branch of CFI. It is an interesting essay on the subject. Reba did some of the research I indicated I plan to do. Read her take on the matter. I won't spoil it by giving away where she comes down on the question of "Should Parents Encourage Children to Believe in Santa Claus?"



Randy




From: TC3 <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Thursday, December 6,[masked]:24 PM

Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Now, about that God character... :)

I recommend these whenever the opportunity arises, as it has, here and now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOCUH7TxHRI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0yhHKWUa0g




On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Randy Pelton <[address removed]> wrote:
I think there is a significant difference between science fiction and the magical thinking that accompanies what some here think are the harmless tales of childhood. They may be. But I am not so sure. I submit that science fiction, at least the good stuff, starts with science and extends and extrapolates it. Well written science fiction deals with that which has some probability, some possibility. Science fiction is grounded in some actual science and in some reality. Santa Claus, the tooth fairy and the other so-called innocent tales of our youth are not. I still suspect that these kinds of tales may prime the mind for magical thinking later on. It is also important to consider when youth start reading science fiction as opposed to when they are fed the mythological fairy tales. Most start reading science fiction at an age where they are much less likely to interpret it as real and assume it to be factual. Not so with religion and the fairy-tales of our very earliest years. Our minds are much more impressionable at the age at which these tales are fed to us. I admit these are speculations on my part. I am not offering an argument. I don't know nearly enough about the development of the brain nor about psychology to know what the science actually says on this topic. If I can find the time I think I will look into the subject.

Randy


From: Greg Priddy <[address removed]>
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Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Now, about that God character... :)

I'd agree with that. Think of how much of science fiction has become reality. And who is largely responsible for that? People who read a lot of science fiction when they were growing up!

On Thu, 6 Dec[masked]:26:54 -0500

Tim Campbell <[address removed]> wrote:
> Also true.  Perhaps too much reality is equally bad for the young  minds. After all, imagination is an important part of our humanity! 
>
> In a message dated 12/6/2012 4:23:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  [address removed] writes:
>
> And one  can also read fairy tales about dragons and princesses and
> witches and  such, to children, I believe, with no long term  ill
> effects...
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Greg Priddy <[address removed]> wrote:
>> The difference I see is that  parents don't persist and reinforce the
> common
>> childhood mythical  characters as they do with religion.
>>
>> Also, children are not  taught that any of those characters will send
> them to
>> hell for  eternity if they are bad or stop believing. The worst outcome
> in a
>>  child's mind would be a lack of hidden eggs or presents under the  tree.
>>
>> On Thu, 6 Dec[masked]:05:49 -0500
>>  Tim  Campbell <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have  mixed feelings on this. I understand the "fun" of Santa and the
>>>  Easter Bunny, etc, but at the same time, they ARE fictional creatures 
> and
>>> the  parents who pretend are actually lying to their children. Is this
> truly
>>> harmless  fun or does it in fact set  up a psychological basis for
> teaching
>>> them other  myths as  fact? And of course, when the children find out
> that
>>> Santa is a  myth,  does that discovery affect their acceptance of 
> anything
>>> coming from their  parents?
>>>
>>>  When my mother told me that thunder was the sound of Jesus and the 
> angels
>>> bowling, was she lying, or did she just not know what the  hell thunder
> is?
>>> And was she harming me or would I have been  better off with a more
> rational
>>> explanation?  Santa, angels  bowling, the Easter Bunny, Magic Jesus. Is
>>> there any real  difference?
>>>
>>> And btw, yes, I and my ex DID roll with  the Santa thing with our  kids!
>>> Didn't seem to harm them, but  they now know my position on all of  this
>>>  stuff!
>>>
>>> Tim  Campbell
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 12/6/2012  3:16:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> [address removed]  writes:
>>>
>>> That's  just wrong. I understand it was  in the context of lesson on
> 'real
>>> vs.  imaginary', but still,  the teacher should take into account what's
> real
>>> *to a 5-year  old*.
>>>
>>> Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy: all part  of the fun of being a
>>> child. Kids figure that stuff out on  their own, and parents let them
> let it
>>> go. Unlike some other  myths we know  about...
>>>
>>>  -Greg
>>>
>>> On Thu, 6 Dec[masked]:01:48 -0500
>>>  Mark  Tiborsky <[address removed]>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Some parents in TX are  furious  because a teacher indicated to
>>>> Kindergarten
>>>>  students  that Santa isn't  real-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/12/04/teacher-tells-students-santa-claus-fake_n_2237521.html
>>>
>>>
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