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Re: [humanism-174] Pupil Hernandez, who refused to wear RFID, loses appeal

From: Joanna
Sent on: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 4:21 PM
Aside from tracking some biometrics as well, or having some secondary verification, I don't know how you can confirm that the person or object holding the card is the student ID'd on it.  If biometrics were involved, I would think there would be different media coverage of this product.
 


 

 

 

In Loving Memory of SSG Edward W. Carman
Nov. 1976-Apr.2004 - US Army, 2/12 Cavalry




From: Scott Spalding <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Wed, January 9,[masked]:41:05 PM
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Pupil Hernandez, who refused to wear RFID, loses appeal

I think many of you are underestimating technology (or more specifically, the people whom created it - technology is only as smart as those utilizing it).  As far as I can find there's no explanation of how the system functions.

To be clear, I think all technology and all tracking can be cheated.  But if you can think of these cheats with only so much as a cursory thought, don't you think the creators of the system may have thought of them too?

--Scott


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Joanna <[address removed]> wrote:
While that may be true for lots of things, I think, in this case, the chipped cards are only going to be good for getting the school its funding. They are not going to effectively track the whereabouts of students who have no intention of coming to or staying on campus. That is, unless they can cross-check data with manual teach attendance, in which case they might as well just use the manual teacher attendance and spend that RFID money on other things.  If I wanted to ditch class and hang out smoking cigarettes in the bathroom (yes, I did do this from time to time in high school - I know, hard to believe), I'd simply stash my card in a good book in the library, or stick it under a table with my bubble gum, and retrieve it after the class I wanted to skip.  I had plenty of pals who would swap skip days with me to make sure our cards got to school.  So, at the end of the day, the school will have a bunch of fictional data, but it would get them their funding. I just think it wasn't well thought out. Haha.  But, maybe it wasn't meant to be.  Maybe they just wanted to justify x, so they will take whatever will get them the data they need for x.  They would be MUCH more effective at really tracking student whereabouts by tracking their cell phones. :)  You can't text without your phone and I certainly wouldn't stick mine under a table with bubble gum. ;)
 
Hey, I wonder if Progressive's little car chip could be transplanted into a good driver's car to save a bad driver some money in much the same way?
 
 
 


 

 

 

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Nov. 1976-Apr.2004 - US Army, 2/12 Cavalry




From: John David Poole <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Wed, January 9,[masked]:13:56 PM

Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Pupil Hernandez, who refused to wear RFID, loses appeal

I'm right there with you about work arounds! I don't think that makes it a bad idea. If that were the case nothing that can be worked around would be worthwhile.
John David Poole
Aflac Associate
(419)[masked]


---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 9 Jan[masked]:21:48 -0500
>From: [address removed] (on behalf of Bruce Orcutt <[address removed]>)
>Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Pupil Hernandez, who refused to wear RFID, loses appeal 
>To: [address removed]
>
>  This is obviously what's next, child tracker! (from
>  South Park): :)
>
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=29fv2tt&s=5
>
>  On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Joanna
>  <[address removed]> wrote:
>
>    Hey, John, do me a big favor and hold my card for
>    me. I gotta ditch the rest of the day and meet my
>    BFF at the mall for Starbucks and shopping. I'll
>    take your card for you tomorrow; just drop it off
>    at my house tonight! 
>
>    Ha! Already found a way to skip school anyhow. 
>    As any student could do this or stash their card
>    some other place in the school, there will always
>    be a way around chipped cards.  What next to
>    remedy that problem?
>     
>
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>
>     
>
>     
>
>     
>
>    In Loving Memory of SSG Edward W. Carman
>    Nov. 1976-Apr.2004 - US Army, 2/12 Cavalry
>
>  ----------------------------------------------------
>
>    From: John David Poole <[address removed]>
>    To: [address removed]
>    Sent: Wed, January 9,[masked]:36:39 AM
>    Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Pupil Hernandez, who
>    refused to wear RFID, loses appeal
>    How long are we going to insist our schools do
>    "SOMETHING ABOUT....." and attack everything they
>    do? Since the school is responsible for kids
>    during the school day, they ought to be able to
>    use technology to at least know where they are!!!
>    John David Poole
>    Aflac Associate
>    (419)[masked] cell
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>    ---- Original message ----
>    >Date: Wed, 9 Jan[masked]:44:49 -0500
>    >From: [address removed] (on behalf of Bruce
>    Orcutt <[address removed]>)
>    >Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Pupil Hernandez, who
>    refused to wear RFID, loses appeal 
>    >To: [address removed]
>    >
>    >  Doesnt seem to be in this article, but read
>    >  yesterday that the school offered a compromise
>    of a
>    >  no chip id card just for her. She said ANY
>    form of
>    >  id card, chip or no, would be the mark of the
>    beast.
>    >  Court ruled the modified card was "reasonable
>    >  accomidation".
>    >
>    >  On Jan 9,[masked]:45 AM, "sheri presloid"
>    >  <[address removed]> wrote:
>    >
>    >   
>    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20957587
>    >    It doesn't mention what she did.  She is
>    either
>    >    going to transfer to another school or pray
>    >    forever and ever with her "mark of the
>    beast"
>    >    badge.
>    >    The article is not that big, so here it is
>    if you
>    >    can't get to the link:
>    >
>    >    A Texan student who refused to wear a badge
>    with a
>    >    radio tag that tracked her movements has
>    lost a
>    >    federal court appeal against her school's
>    ID
>    >    policy.
>    >
>    >    The radio chips track attendance, which in
>    turn
>    >    helps secure school funding.
>    >
>    >    But Andrea Hernandez, 15, stopped wearing
>    the
>    >    badge on religious grounds, saying it was
>    the
>    >    "mark of the beast".
>    >
>    >    After John Jay High School suspended her,
>    she went
>    >    to court and won a temporary injunction to
>    >    continue her studies at the school, without
>    the
>    >    tag.
>    >
>    >    The federal court ruling overturned that,
>    saying
>    >    if she was to stay at the school, she would
>    be
>    >    required to wear the badge. Otherwise, she
>    would
>    >    have to transfer to a new school.
>    >
>    >    The new identification policy at the
>    Northside
>    >    Independent School District (NISD) in San
>    Antonio,
>    >    Texas, began at the start of the 2012
>    school year.
>    >
>    >    John Jay High School is one of two schools
>    >    piloting the programme, which eventually
>    aims to
>    >    equip all student badges across the
>    district's 112
>    >    schools with radio-frequency identification
>    (RFID)
>    >    chips.
>    >
>    >    The badges reveal each student's location
>    on their
>    >    campus, giving the district more precise
>    >    information on attendance.
>    >
>    >    The daily average of the attendance is
>    related to
>    >    how much funding each school receives.
>    >
>    >    But Miss Hernandez said the badge was the
>    "mark of
>    >    the beast", as described in chapter 13 of
>    the Book
>    >    of Revelation in the Bible.
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