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Re: Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: Bogus Louisiana Teacher Survey Used to Support Centr...

From: Tim C.
Sent on: Sunday, January 20, 2013 12:19 AM
Their degrees and credentials are secondary to their real purposes. They are liars and loons. Their work is a joke. Their purpose is to deny and destroy legitimate science. Screw them AND their obscene ignorant ministries.



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To: humanism-174 <[address removed]>
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Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: Bogus Louisiana Teacher Survey Used to Support Centr...

If you are willing to declare that you eschew the proof of a 4.5 billion year old earth, evolution through natural selection, and our shared ancestry with the great apes based solely on your need to be true to your book of fairy tales you are not a legitimate scientist. 

Chris

On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Mark R. Orel <[address removed]> wrote:
The problem is, who gets to decide who is
a legitimate scientist and who is not? 

If the biographies I saw are correct then both Dr. Purdom
and Dr. Lisle are indeed credentialed scientists. 


M. Orel


On[masked]:15, Tim Campbell wrote:
Just a basic follow-up.  It is my opinion, based on the previously submitted articles and surveys, and on reading both the creationist/ID literature as well as critiques of same, that  yes, there are scientists with degrees in the life sciences who dispute the facts of biological evolution, even though bio evo is accepted by at least 95% of the life science community.  However, it is my opinion and conclusion that the vast majority of the 5% denier group are in fact biblical literalists (i.e. creationists) first and scientifically trained as an afterthought!
 
This may be a bold statement, but allow me to present the evidence below:  two "statements of faith" that are required to be signed as a condition of employment at two of the most well-known "creation science" research organizations.
 
To call these outfits SRO is--in my opinion- dishonest. 
 
1) No legitimate SRO would even imagine asking scientists to sign such a pledge/statement.
2)  No legitimate scientist would consider signing as a condition of employment.
 
The "scientists" of Answers in Genesis and the Creation Research Institute and the Discovery Institute are not the only people with science degrees who dispute evolution.  The rest would appear to be teaching at bible colleges and evangelical schools. 
 
The situation is so ludicrous that even the employer of noted "creation scientist" Michael Behe (Lehigh University) issues a statement disclaiming association with Behe's creationism/ID nonsense.
 
The AIG and CRI and so on are NOT legitimate scientific research organizations. That are MINISTRIES. Religion-based groups whose ONLY purpose is to deny and discredit real science and real scientists. Their tactics include misquoting legitimate scientists, misrepresenting the real issues facing scientists, and outright lying about scientific facts and discoveries.
 
Simply go to AIG's website (www.answersingenesis.com) and look at the articles written by their "biologist" Georgia Purdom and their "astrophysicist" Jason Lisle.  Look also at THEIR list of so-called scientists who agree with creationism.  ALL of them are biblical literalists and all either work for AIG or for hard-core fundamentalist colleges.  It's a who's who of fundaliars and loons. 
 
IN my opinion, neither these organizations nor their so-called "scientists" are worthy of any degree of respect.   If anyone believes that I am being mean, I will not disagree. If you think I am being unnecessarily mean to these loons, I will disagree.  These are the fundaliars who take advantage of the ignorance of the fundaloons.
 
Tim Campbell
 
CRS Statement of Belief

All members must subscribe to the following statement of belief:

1. The Bible is the written Word of God, and because it is inspired throughout, all its assertions are historically and scientifically true in the original autographs. To the student of nature this means that the account of origins in Genesis is a factual presentation of simple historical truths.

2. All basic types of living things, including man, were made by direct creative acts of God during the Creation Week described in Genesis. Whatever biological changes have occurred since Creation Week have accomplished only changes within the original created kinds.

3. The great flood described in Genesis, commonly referred to as the Noachian Flood, was an historic event worldwide in its extent and effect.

4. We are an organization of Christian men and women of science who accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. The account of the special creation of Adam and Eve as one man and one woman and their subsequent fall into sin is the basis for our belief in the necessity of a Savior for all mankind. Therefore, salvation can come only through accepting Jesus Christ as our Savior.

 

Answers in Genesis (The Discovery Institute):

In order to preserve the function and integrity of the ministry in its mission to proclaim the absolute truth and authority of Scripture and to provide a biblical role model to our employees, and to the Church, the community, and society at large, it is imperative that all persons employed by the ministry in any capacity, or who serve as volunteers, should abide by and agree to our Statement of Faith, to include the statement on marriage and sexuality, and conduct themselves accordingly.

Section 1: Priorities

  • The scientific aspects of creation are important but are secondary in importance to the proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ as Sovereign, Creator, Redeemer, and Judge.
  • The doctrines of Creator and Creation cannot ultimately be divorced from the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Section 2: Basics

  • The 66 books of the Bible are the written Word of God. The Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant throughout. Its assertions are factually true in all the original autographs. It is the supreme authority in everything it teaches. Its authority is not limited to spiritual, religious, or redemptive themes but includes its assertions in such fields as history and science.
  • The final guide to the interpretation of Scripture is Scripture itself.
  • The account of origins presented in Genesis is a simple but factual presentation of actual events and therefore provides a reliable framework for scientific research into the question of the origin and history of life, mankind, the earth, and the universe.
  • The various original life forms (kinds), including mankind, were made by direct creative acts of God. The living descendants of any of the original kinds (apart from man) may represent more than one species today, reflecting the genetic potential within the original kind. Only limited biological changes (including mutational deterioration) have occurred naturally within each kind since creation.
  • The great Flood of Genesis was an actual historic event, worldwide (global) in its extent and effect.
  • The special creation of Adam (the first man) and Eve (the first woman), and their subsequent fall into sin, is the basis for the necessity of salvation for mankind.
  • Death (both physical and spiritual) and bloodshed entered into this world subsequent to and as a direct consequence of man’s sin.

Section 3: Theology

  • The Godhead is triune: one God, three Persons—God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
  • All mankind are sinners, inherently from Adam and individually (by choice), and are therefore subject to God’s wrath and condemnation.
  • Freedom from the penalty and power of sin is available to man only through the sacrificial death and shed blood of Jesus Christ and His complete and bodily resurrection from the dead.
  • The Holy Spirit enables the sinner to repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
  • The Holy Spirit lives and works in each believer to produce the fruits of righteousness.
  • Salvation is a gift received by faith alone in Christ alone and expressed in the individual’s repentance, recognition of the death of Christ as full payment for sin, and acceptance of the risen Christ as Savior, Lord, and God.
  • All things necessary for our salvation are expressly set down in Scripture.
  • Jesus Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary.
  • Jesus Christ rose bodily from the dead, ascended to heaven, and is currently seated at the right hand of God the Father, and shall return in person to this earth as Judge of the living and the dead.
  • Satan is the personal spiritual adversary of both God and mankind.
  • Those who do not believe in Christ are subject to everlasting conscious punishment, but believers enjoy eternal life with God.
  • The only legitimate marriage sanctioned by God is the joining of one man and one woman in a single, exclusive union, as delineated in Scripture. God intends sexual intimacy to only occur between a man and a woman who are married to each other, and has commanded that no intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between a man and a woman. Any form of sexual immorality, such as adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexual conduct, bestiality, incest, pornography, or any attempt to change one’s gender, or disagreement with one’s biological gender, is sinful and offensive to God.
  • It is the duty of Christians to attend a local Bible believing church, as portrayed in the New Testament.
  • All human life is sacred and begins at conception (defined as the moment of fertilization). The unborn child is a living human being, created in the image of God, and must be respected and protected both before and after birth. The abortion of an unborn child or the active taking of human life through euthanasia constitutes a violation of the sanctity of human life, and is a crime against God and man.

Section 4: General

The following are held by members of the Board of Answers in Genesis to be either consistent with Scripture or implied by Scripture:

  • Scripture teaches a recent origin for man and the whole creation, spanning approximately 4,000 years from creation to Christ.
  • The days in Genesis do not correspond to geologic ages, but are six [6] consecutive twenty-four [24] hour days of creation.
  • The Noachian Flood was a significant geological event and much (but not all) fossiliferous sediment originated at that time.
  • The gap theory has no basis in Scripture.
  • The view, commonly used to evade the implications or the authority of biblical teaching, that knowledge and/or truth may be divided into secular and religious, is rejected.
  • By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information.

Updated: December 12, 2012

 

 





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