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Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: Bogus Louisiana Teacher Survey Used to Support Centr...

From: Greg P.
Sent on: Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:47 PM
Because heaven and hell, of course. I we don't allow 
ourselves to be brainwashed into believing the biblical 
account of creation, and the subsequent fall from grace, 
how can we be saved from hell by belief in the salvation 
of Jesus? And nothing you can do, no matter how good, will 
get you into heaven unless you believe.

Do you really want to risk eternity? This stuff was wrote 
down in a book a long time ago; that must make it more 
trustworthy than man-made knowledge.

</sarcasm>

-Greg

On Sun, 27 Jan[masked]:17:46 -0500
  Russell Stanton <[address removed]> wrote:
> But why is it worth all of this to prove whether God 
>created the first humans in a single day (or week or 
>whatever),   or if He (or She or They)  did it with small 
>changes over millions of years?  There are so many 
>IMPORTANT  things we should be discussing!
> 
>From: TC3 
> Sent: Sunday, January 27,[masked]:29 AM
> To: [address removed] 
> Subject: Re: Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: Bogus Louisiana 
>Teacher Survey Used to Support Centr...
> 
> The part where you mentioned this quote
> 
> 
> "Postmodernism takes the relativistic position that 
>there is no absolute truth or objective reality, that 
>what we experience as reality is a social construct... 
>that it consists only of our interpretations of what the 
>world means to us individually.."
> 
> I wonder, would you watch this and share your opinion on 
>the content?
> 
> http://www.youtub...­
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> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Glen 
><[address removed]> wrote:
> 
>  Mark O,
>  I have to agree with Tim. Your continual contrarianism 
>and semantic quibbles are getting tiresome.  Often when 
>asked direct questions, we get evasions or hair splitting 
>replies of direct answers.
> 
>  When Chris suggested you must have some believe in one 
>or the other view of origins, you replied "No, I really 
>don't, postmodernism describes my philosophical bent 
>perfectly." Since not everyone agrees on exactly what 
>postmodernism entails, or would know how you apply it to 
>human evolution, your answer seems vague at best.  Part 
>of the Wikipedia description of postmodernism is: 
>"Postmodernism takes the relativistic position that there 
>is no absolute truth or objective reality, that what we 
>experience as reality is a social construct... that it 
>consists only of our interpretations of what the world 
>means to us individually.."
> 
>  Do you subscribe to this?  Do you question any 
>objective reality? If that's the case, I for one am not 
>sure it's even worth discussing further with you, or 
>talking about fossils, DNA, etc. which to me and most 
>others, have objective reality and meaning.  If they do 
>to you too, please be more direct and plain about what 
>you believe about human evolution. It seems like getting 
>that has been like pulling teeth.
>      In a recent comment you suggests it's not a fact 
>until it's "established." But we've already explained 
>several times how and why human evolution IS well 
>established (from extensive fossil and DNA evidence) even 
>tho the exact status of various hominids is less certain. 
>Do you not grasp or accept that distinction? Frankly, it 
>appears that you just want to be contrary or play word 
>games, rather than trying to have a productive discussion 
>or understand the evidence.
> 
>  As a case in point, when I pointed everyone to the 
>recent Australoputhecine find, you went on about how it's 
>not necessarily in direct line with humans. But I never 
>claimed it was, and whether it is or not is a side issue. 
>The key point is, it's yet another example of a hominid 
>with features intermediate between modern humans and 
>earlier forms, and such beings make no sense except in 
>light of evolution (whatever their position in the 
>ancestral bush).  Again you avoided directly answering 
>the question I asked twice before: if none of the 
>hominids are human ancestors, what are you suggesting, 
>that God planted them, or created them to fool us into 
>thinking we evolved, when in fact he directly created us? 
> Please be plain.
> 
>  Let me take this approach, which might cut through 
>quibbles about the word "fact". Assuming you've read some 
>of the resources we've already directed you on human 
>evolution, please tells us how certain you are that 
>humans evolved, and why.  Is it 50%, 75%, 90% or what? 
>Virtually all scientists except YECs are more than 99% 
>certainty, which is why they also regard it as a fact, as 
>much as anything can be a scientific fact. If after all 
>the reading you still can't or won't say how certain you 
>are, I think it's time to move on to another subject.
> 
>  As far as your comment about divine creation not 
>excluding evolution, I'll give you the benefit of the 
>doubt, and grant that you may have meant that even if 
>evolution occurred, a divine being or force could have 
>initiated or guided the process. Fine, but that doesn't 
>address the question of whether you think evolution 
>occurred or not.
>  Thank you.
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