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Re: [humanism-174] Re: Can a Sufficient Dose of Psilocybin Mushrooms Cure Som...

From: Tim C.
Sent on: Thursday, March 21, 2013 4:46 PM
Good points!  Certainly, meditation and certain images can cause the brain to release chemicals that give the sort of pleasure that mystics and highly spiritual people claim to receive from their meditations. 
Tim
 
 
In a message dated 3/21/2013 2:56:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [address removed] writes:

I haven’t contributed to the group for a while, but this subject is one that I have had recent personal study….  I have not seen a discussion of DMT in this forum, but the subject is very interesting.

 

 

I am not sure about curing atheism, nor whether personal thoughts can—or should—be  “cured” through hallucinogens, but studies have been done to explain the existence of religious and fantastical  thoughts and visions as being caused by a hallucinogen created by glands in our own brains:

 

http://www.thespiritmolecule.com/html/

 

Excerpt:

 

Several themes explored include possible roles for endogenous DMT, its theoretical role in near-death and birth experiences, alien-abduction experiences, and spiritual states, both within Eastern concepts of enlightenment and Western ideas regarding prophecy, and the uncanny similarities in Biblical prophetic texts describing DMT-like experiences.

 

While many of the people involved in DMT research are somewhat sympathetic to religious thinking, the message is really interesting—that it could be proven that we ourselves create such beliefs within our bodies to resolve physical trauma.

 

Perhaps it is the religious experience that can be “cured” or at least understood scientifically via hallucinogen therapy.  It would seem too, the “religious/spiritual base” is simply a power of suggestion—and gives one the vision of the heavenly bright light, or the darkness of hell in a near death experience with the influx of a drug made inside our bodies to seemingly make death, birth, pain, etc. more bearable.

 

Mind control can be done via power of suggestion, with or without the use of narcotic agents, and strong message reinforcement.  I have to wonder if the study first mentioned as to a “cure” for atheism was much more than a simple attempt at chemically enhanced religious brain-washing.  It would be interesting to investigate how many of these studies are going on….to use such means to cure other thought patterns, perhaps lifestyles or sexual preferences, etc.  Wasn’t it Michelle Bachman’s husband who claimed to “cure” homosexuality?  Wonder if he was using drugs along with his sermons.  You know, some of this stuff is perfectly legal, natural and fairly easily attainable….

 

And to Tim’s point:

 

Once the effect wears off, unless the user is suffering from a psychosis, they should be able to discern what was a chemically induced "vision" from the more objective reality of not being under the influence. 

 

While one should be able to discern between the effects of a drug taken and the normal state, what if the drug is manufactured by your own body and you are not administering it consciously?  Or, perhaps the drug is given to you without your knowledge.  Could we then be as sure of the difference?  Many say that their religion gets them high…maybe they aren’t kidding.

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Tim Campbell
Sent: Thursday, March 21,[masked]:49 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Re: Can a Sufficient Dose of Psilocybin Mushrooms Cure Som...

 

The topic question assumes that "atheism" is a disease that either needs to be or can be "cured".  Most hallucinogens that I have been familiar with don't really alter one's initial views.  Once the effect wears off, unless the user is suffering from a psychosis, they should be able to discern what was a chemically induced "vision" from the more objective reality of not being under the influence.  As Easpatholt points out here, the subjects already had a religious/spiritual base.

Tim Campbell

 

In a message dated 3/21/2013 8:48:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [address removed] writes:

"The study involved 36 college-educated adults (average age of 46) who had never tried psilocybin nor had a history of drug use, and who had religious or spiritual interests."

The subjects claimed that they were already religious or spiritual before the study started, if you wanted to 'cure' atheist, you should test people who have NO religious or spiritual interest. 

I briefly dated a guy in college who was heavy in to hallucinogenic drugs, he was also an atheist. I think he is clean now, but still an atheist. He saw bats and kittens, but never Jesus. 





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