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Re: [humanism-174] regarding TC3

From: TC3
Sent on: Sunday, April 7, 2013 5:28 AM
"To think of all conspiracies as irrational, is irrational."

Chavez wouldn't budge and is dead now.
Whatever they said about Gaddafi and why he's dead, I can't shake the thought that his ideas about gold currency (and new technology cars) is the actual reason he's gone.
North Korea is fucked up and most Americans wouldn't know the difference between North and South. So is it a surprise that they mainstreamed a South Korean pop song to raise awareness?
These things could all be coincidence, or just simple politics. Where is the line between people conspiring and politics?
If that's true, would that make Gangnam style a conspiracy, politics or other?
Is it only conspiracy when it's formal government?
I've sat in on closed door board meetings where "people" "conspired" to achieve the companies best interest.
Is it the scope that makes them believable or not?
Do we assume 100 people could keep a secret but not 1000?
Do we assume that a group that would kill 1000 or more would not kill a few who step out of line?
Do we assume that we would believe the ones who do speak out?

James Randy said, James Randy said, James Randy said . . .

Such and such would get a Nobel prize if that were true! . . .

Ridicule me if you want to. This is the Internet after all.
I'm just a person asking honest questions in a public forum.


On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Mark R. Orel <[address removed]> wrote:
Randy:

Other than: To think of all conspiracies as irrational,
is irrational and dangerous.  and that our government
acts as a closed door system.  Beyond that I've made
no claims. 

Mr. Campbell said that I "do not trust any of the data that
has been made available".  I've seen the conclusions, but
I've not seen the data.  And Mr. Campbell refuses to elaborate
on what this data is. 

He then goes on to say that "I (Mr. Campbell) accept CONDITIONALLY,
the conclusions of the N.I.S.T. regarding the attack on and the collapse
of the WTC..."  and he give two reasons.  The problem here is a
sense of dissonance.   If he does accept the conclusions conditionally,
regardless of the reasons, and he admits that he is not qualified
to demand more data from the N.I.S.T. or any other investigative
agency.  Then why does he insist that anyone who asks questions,
qualified or not, is irrational, a loon, crazy, balderdash, conspiracy
whackos, whackos, nuts, pissant malcontents &c? He began this
attack from the start and continued throughout this conversation.

If he accepts the report conditionally, then I would think, at the very
least this implies an openness to discuss the matter.  But his
statements are more in line with someone who accept the N.I.S.T.
reports unconditionally.  

All of his comments have been emotional with anyone he disagrees. 
In addition he intuited statements I never made or intended to make.
All of this shows a very real cognitive bias. 


M. Orel


On[masked]:27, Randy Pelton wrote:
Mark,

Please clarify exactly on what basis it is that Tim is the claimant in this exchange. What claim(s) has he made that places the burden of proof on him? Are you asserting that you have made no claims in this exchange?

Randy


From: Mark R. Orel <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Saturday, April 6,[masked]:23 AM
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] regarding TC3

Mr. Campbell: 

I agree, the proof is on the claimant.  I am not the claimant, you are. 
In this case you are the typical fundaloon [sic].  You offer an opinion,
supply no evidence and claim it as fact.   I've demonstrated how your
convoluted  your thinking is.  You've admitted to being out of your
depth.    And you intuited statements I never made, showing an
intense cognitive bias. 

Your accusations are correct, it just that they all apply to you. 


M. Orel


On [masked]:15, Tim Campbell wrote:
The burden of proof is on the claimant. Orel sounds like the typical fundaloon. No evidence, no logic, no sense, and way out of his depth.



-----Original Message-----
From: [address removed]
To: humanism-174
Sent: Thu, Apr 4,[masked]:27 pm
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] regarding TC3



Mr. Campbell: 

Campaign, an operation energetically pursued to
accomplished a purpose. 

I felt and feel that TC3 should be removed from the group.  It is my right to think so and to
propose that action


So, yes you did mount a campaign.  It just didn't go as
far as you hoped. 

As for not commenting on things that I do not agree with or on comments I do not like, once again,
none of your damned business.  I will comment when I like and about whatever interests me enough
to comment.  The only limit on me is the constraints of 25 posts per day.  Other than that, I will do
whatever I please and whatever pleases me.  Should my comments offend the group or roll into the
absurd and insane, then anyone can complain and Mark and Marni have the right to chastise me or
toss me.  You have the same right as I do.  Comment away, whine away, or keep your opinions to
yourself--all up to you!  But if you make an absurd comment, expect to be called on it.  Whether by
me or by Randy or by anyone else here. 

Now Here we have good example of pretzel logic.   At first you say it's "none of
my damned business"  Then you whine for a bit and admit to being a hedonist. 
And then you say it's okay for me to comment.  

You and TC3 offered separate scenarios to explain the collapse of the WTC towers that I
(and most everyone else in the group, btw) found absurd. You admittedly offered no evidence
for implausible explanations 


You have a keen ability to see the irrelevant and ignore the salient. 
And you offered no evidence either.  Had you read the words I wrote
you might have understood that was in fact my point.  You gave me
your opinion, you shared no evidence. 

I like the 'Valley Girl' impression, or maybe that's the real you...
whatever. 


M. Orel









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