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RE: [bouldervegans] Girl Scouts are back!

From: Jim G.
Sent on: Thursday, February 16, 2012, 7:04 PM

Chilling is right!  JVon… chill out dude! 

 

Perhaps Phil put it best: “JVonD, the problem was that you imposed a perspective on the girls, and then made them "bad" about it.  They're proud of their cookies, and you're against the cookies.  These are kids.  If you being "right" makes them wrong, you're blowing it.”

 

Nothing wrong with asking if something is Vegan (or just read the ingredients).  But suggesting to a girl scout, even in a friendly, non-threatening demeanor (remember some of these girls are as young as 6 years old), that their cookies are not animal friendly and contribute to animal cruelty, is wrong on so many levels.  It’s akin to telling an atheist, a Jew, a Muslim, or a Hindu that they will rot in hell if they don’t accept Jesus Christ as their savior.  It’s offensive to say the least. 

 

Jim

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Ann S
Sent: Thursday, February 16,[masked]:02 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [bouldervegans] Girl Scouts are back!

 

Oh dear, mild mannered until accused of something.  First melt down I have seen from JVon since I have known him, by the way!

 

Chilling, my friends!!

Ann

 

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Did it give you something real, or could you taste the pain of my death in its flavor?

    ~Wayne K. Tolson "Food Forethought"

 

~ Animals have their own voices, but few listen.  

   Those of us who hear them, must help them to be heard. ~

 

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter" Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

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On Feb 16, 2012, at 5:48 PM, JVonD <[address removed]> wrote:

Whats your fricken problems?  Are you even vegans?  Whats so harsh about asking if they have any vegan cookies?  If they sold some I'd buy some.

You want to know what harsh is..?  It's telling them to F-Off like I was thinking of telling you!

 

I asked them nicely with a smile like I ask every other person in the store giving out free samples.  There's little girls forced to sell products that contribute to animal cruelty.  Leave the group if your going to be a hypocrite.

You complaining about my comment are probably the cheapsters that go to the meetups just to get free food.

Sorry Lisa.  These dudes are really pissing me off!

 


From: Jerry <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Thursday, February 16,[masked]:28 PM
Subject: RE: [bouldervegans] Girl Scouts are back!

 

Jim,

I agree with you 100%. It's comments such as these that make me cringe. Why can't we just try to live our own lives without passing judgements and educate with compassion and empathy?

Jerry A

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-----Original message-----

From: Jim Glasser <[address removed]>
To:
[address removed]
Sent:
Thu, Feb 16,[masked]:57:15 GMT+00:00
Subject:
RE: [bouldervegans] Girl Scouts are back!

JVonD,

 

The tone of your comment below is a bit harsh.  Be kind to these girls.  In spite of their cookies being crap, there are many positives related to their cookie sale worth supporting.  My 9 y/o daughter (mostly vegan during her 50% with me, and mostly non vegan during the other half with mom) is a Brownie and has been hawking, and even eating a few, girl scout cookies of late.  Here are just some of the positives that make it worthwhile to support this cause (you don?t have to eat them? you can donate them or even throw them away if your conscience dictates):

1.       Practical math experience

2.       Business experience

3.       Sales experience

4.       Entrepreneurial experience

5.       The opportunity to be part of a team of girls working towards a goal (a portion of the sale is kept by the troop which helps pay for field trips, outings, and girl scout camp)

6.       The opportunity to contribute to bigger causes

a.       Donate sold cookies to: ?Home Town Heroes.?  Our troop is sending cookies to soldiers serving overseas.  Some are donated to food banks, etc., etc.

b.       A portion of the sale goes to a Girl Scout National fund that pays for dues and outings for underprivileged girls

Please think twice before making some smart ass comment to these well intentioned girls, which may not have the desired effect.  There must be a kinder and gentler way to share our passion for veganism, and plant the seed with these girls (and more importantly? with their parents). 

 

Lastly, please feel free to stop by our troop?s last cookie booth sale tomorrow from 4 ? 8 at the Wal-Mart in Castle Rock.  My daughter Sydney will be there from 4 ? 6, and she will be happy to talk with you about the virtues of a plant based diet? with a little candy and cookies thrown in now and then -:).

 

Love & Light,

Jim              

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Ann S
Sent: Thursday, February 16,[masked]:42 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [bouldervegans] Girl Scouts are back!

 

I always do this (have for years) and it's always a good thing.  I do it when I see boy scouts selling popcorn as well.  I even do it at bake sales.  They have to be nice since I'm a potential customer, so they get to have an experience with a nice vegan person and hear a little info that try can later check out on line.  Planting seeds...

 

;-}

 

Thank you, JVon!!

Ann

 

 VEGFEST COLORADO 2012

7 & 8 July 2012! See you there!

 

Follow VegFest Colorado on Twitter:

 

Think of me tonight, for that which you savor. 

Did it give you something real, or could you taste the pain of my death in its flavor?

    ~Wayne K. Tolson "Food Forethought"

 

~ Animals have their own voices, but few listen.  

   Those of us who hear them, must help them to be heard. ~

 

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter" Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

"Take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented." ?Elie Wiesel

 

 

Get involved!  The World is run by people who show up.  ~Unknown


On Feb 16, 2012, at 11:10 AM, donna marino <[address removed]> wrote:

I did the same thing recently. I think it's a very effective way to reach kids because they have a natural curiosity about these things. (It also works when the Boy Scouts are selling their candy and junk food outside the supermarket :)

-----Original Message-----
From: JVonD
Sent: Feb 16,[masked]:54 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: [bouldervegans] Girl Scouts are back!

Hi friends!  I noticed the Girl Scouts are back in town selling their cookies that are not vegan so here's an easy way to have a simple yet dramatic effect on the young ones about the animal abuse caused by the industry.

When you see the girl scouts at the stores selling their cookies ask the girls if they have any vegan cookies.  Chances are they do not know what that means and ask say "whats that?".  Then ask them, "Are your cookies animal friendly?", chances are they will ask their adult ambassador who will have to say "no our cookies are not vegan".  Then you can say "Well I guess they are not animal friendly then, so sorry I have to pass.".  This will provide an entry to an informative discussion where the ambassador will have to explain what "Vegan" means to the kids and then the kids will relate the word to being animal friendly and thus hopefully they will gain interest because I think every youngster has a strong connection to animals.

I did that exact thing yesterday at King-Poop-Scoop and it felt great.

Have a great day!  ~J

 





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