Catskill 3500 Series: Fir and Big Indian (trail & bushwhack)

Hudson Valley Hikers
Hudson Valley Hikers
Public group

Biscuit Brook DEC Parking Area

Route 47 · Claryville, NY

How to find us

Green Outback or Black Baja 201.310.6346

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Fir and Big Indian Mountains from Biscuit Brook

Total Mileage: 10 miles (3.5 OFF TRAIL)
Total Elevation Gain: 2600 feet
Estimated Hike Time: 7-8 hours

Pace: 1-1.5 MPH for the bushwhack and about 2 MPH for the trail. Brief breaks.

This is a wait-list-only event. I'll message you after you sign up. Please answer if you want a spot.

THIS IS NOT A BEGINNER EVENT. WE WILL TRY TO STAY TOGETHER. STRONG HIKERS WILL BE ASKED TO MODERATE THEIR PACE WITHIN REASON, BUT VERY SLOW HIKERS SHOULD CONSIDER NOT ATTENDING. Mandatory Requirements: Each hiker must have a paper map for the appropriate trails, a working compass, a headlamp, and microspikes. Any hiker without this mandatory gear will be turned away at the trailhead. MAPS ON YOUR PHONES OR GPS DEVICES ARE NOT SUBSTITUTES FOR PAPER MAPS. Special Gear / Requirements:

Map (NYNJTC 142 + 143 or NatGeo 755)
Extra Clothing & Emergency Shelter
First Aid Supplies
Fire-starters, Matches, and Dry Tinder
Knife or Tool
Extra Food
Extra Water
Winter Boots + Gaiters
Microspikes or Trail Crampons and Snow Shoes

WARNING REGARDING BUSHWHACKS: "Bushwhacks" are hikes that go off of maintained trails and through pure wilderness. Please make sure you are very confident in your ability to navigate through the woods without trails since it is very easy to get lost in these forests, especially in the summer. Map & Compass REQUIRED. GPS is also recommended, but it is not a substitute for a map & compass and the skills to use them effectively.
Group Size: The DEC limits group sizes in the Big Indian Wilderness to 20.

Getting there: Take the New York State Thruway to exit 19: Kingston. Keep right for Route 28 west. About 31 miles turn left on Route 47 south. Go about 12.5 miles to the DEC parking area, on left, for Biscuit Brook - trailhead for Pine Hill - West Branch trail. If you get to the Frost Valley YMCA Camp, you passed the parking area - go back 1.2 miles (on right). There is no cell phone service in this area. Be early, start 9:00 a.m. SHARP!!

Route Description: Approximately 10 miles distance, 2600 feet of total elevation gain. We go 2.05 miles up the blue marked trail to the Biscuit Brook lean-to. From there we bushwhack about 1.5 miles up the ridge to Fir. After signing in at the canister, its about a 2 mile bushwhack over the Catskill Divide ridgeline to Big Indian. After signing in at that canister it's a very short distance to the blue marked trail, where we turn left and go down 4.55 miles to the parking area.


NOTE: You are responsible for bringing appropriate gear, supplies, clothing, first aid, and lights. You should review topographic maps and trail features carefully; understanding topography of any hike is key to your knowing where you are, where you're going, and how to get back. See suggestions for GEAR on the "About" page for additional gear ideas.

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If you join us for a hike (or any other event), please understand that you are responsible for your own preparedness and well-being and will hold no one else liable in case of injury or mishap. You agree not to hold the Organizer, Assistant Organizers, or any other members responsible for any injuries, mishaps, or any other situation that may happen at a planned event. You are responsible to research the event, know the area, and bring the proper gear.

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