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Let's Talk About the Election

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  • I think it would be a good idea for our group to have a discussion dedicated to the election results and how they affect our prospects for the future. The goal, as usual, would be to learn from each other's unique perspectives, challenge our own views, and, hopefully, come out with a greater sense of clarity about the subject. All are welcome to come, regardless of political orientation or who they voted for. I, for one, would be glad to hear from people who think differently from me, so if you know someone whose point of view would add diversity to the discussion, I encourage you to bring them along.

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  • Elizabeth

    "The blame-the-racists (the fools, the yokels…) narrative generates a clear demarcation between good (us) and evil (them), but it does violence to the truth. It also obscures an important root of racism – anger displaced away from an oppressive system and its elites and onto other victims of that system. Finally, it employs the same dehumanization of the other that is the essence of racism and the precondition for war."
    "Anything becomes possible with the collapse of dominant institutions. When the animating force behind these new ideas is hate or fear, all manner of fascistic and totalitarian nightmares can ensue, whether enacted by existing powers or those that arise in revolution against them."
    "So let’s stop making our opponents invisible behind a caricature of evil."
    ~ http://charleseisenstein.net/hategriefandanewstory/

    5 days ago

    • Elizabeth

      [12+yrs ago] "By using polling data, they debunk the myth that this represented a swing towards rightwing, conservative values. Polls show that on issues such as abortion, gay rights and the environment, these voters, like most of the country, became slightly more liberal in the 1980s and 1990s. Nor did working-class white men become more anti-government. They did, however, become more disappointed in government, feeling that public programs had done little for them."
      "When income trends are broken down, working-class white men are the only group for which median income actually fell from 1979 to 1998...Teixeira and Rogers attribute the change in voting patterns to bitterness at falling behind economically."
      "We don't have to worry about those red parts of the country anymore, now that people of color are a majority."
      ~http://www.classmatte...­
      I got to hear Betsy Leondar-Wright speak after 'Class Matters' was published. I really enjoyed her insights.

      1 · Yesterday

    • Elizabeth

      ^ Re: https://www.amazon.com...­ 2001 There are some interesting insights in the Amazon comments...

      Yesterday

  • Larisa

    Russian interference under investigation http://a.msn.com/01/en-us/AAlnscV?ocid=sf

    Yesterday

  • Brad E.

    Last Sunday, a question arose about entangled sub atomic particles. Interesting article re large collections of entangled particles. http://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-have-found-hints-of-a-rare-quantum-spin-liquid-hiding-in-a-crystal

    2 days ago

  • Larisa

    This piece makes all the points I want to make about why Clinton lost and I would have written it myself but a better writer wrote it. This is an opinion piece. People are allowed to disagree with the opinions stated within it. Notice: There is nothing in here that insults Trump supporters, and you won't hear me insulting Trump supporters. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58459894e4b0496fbcb0c26d

    4 days ago

    • Tina C.

      Larisa, generically, I found the huffington post spot on!

      1 · 3 days ago

    • Brad E.

      Michael Moore was somewhat prescient. Written in July.
      http://michaelmoore.c...­

      1 · 3 days ago

  • Brad E.

    I cast a write-in vote... for myself. After tedious analysis, it turned out the only person I agreed 100% with was me.

    1 · 4 days ago

    • Brad E.

      Thelma, I was kidding. I actually voted for SpongeBob SquarePants for the exact reason you cited. :-)

      4 days ago

    • David D.

      Well Brad. That's quite a coincidence. I, too, wrote you in as the best candidate for the job. Now you say that Sponge Bob is the better of the two. I'll never figure this voting stuff out.

      2 · 4 days ago

  • Leo F.

    Short little piece on political scientists' take on the rise on white nationalism around the world:
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/researchers-baffled-by-nationalist-surge/

    4 days ago

  • Emily

    If this election made you want to drink - no matter who you supported - you may find this an entertaining article on early elections in this country and some of the tactics used to garner votes :-) http://www.delanceyplace.com/

    4 days ago

  • Larisa

    5 days ago

  • Elizabeth

    Van Jones introduces his 'Messy Truth' special due to air Tuesday on CNN: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BZfImum7jEI (4min). I'm looking forward to seeing what more lies behind the clip shown & appreciate the effort to reach out & do, as Art says, 'the right thing'. Older episodes are avail at: http://www.vanjones.net/the_messy_truth

    December 3

    • Tina C.

      Thanks for sharing, I will definitely tune in

      December 4

    • Elizabeth

      Sure thing Tina! I just learned he's due to be the guest on The Daily Show tonight. I hope that's a good discussion too.

      6 days ago

  • Paula S.

    If I were free, I would attend, but I have a previous commitment. As Dave mentioned, I'd be interested in other opportunities to do something similar. And Leo, if you want to share some of the insights from the gathering sponsored be Marquette, I'd enjoy reading/hearing those.

    2 · November 29

    • Eileen T.

      Do we have a book for January?

      December 3

    • Eileen T.

      Bob and I would love to hear more about the Kantian Dinner.

      December 3

  • Art J.

    This is a great subject, unfortunately I fly out on Sundays for work. Two book club readings come to mind on this topic. The Filter Bubble, which discuss how our news and searches on the internet are filtered to echo back our views and beliefs. Which explains how many people were wrong about the election result. Justice: What's the Right Thing to Do?, Sandel encourages people to step forward and discuss issues with people who have different view. it is through these discussions that we can come to a greater understanding on the "right thing to do".

    1 · December 1

    • Elizabeth

      Thanks Art. I'm also hoping to crack open "Listen, Liberal" by Thomas Frank (http://listenliberal....­) & "The Unwinding" by George Packer (http://us.macmillan.c...­) before the meeting too. I'm on a wait list for the audio version of "Hillbilly Elegy" (https://www.meetup.com...­) that was orig suggested by Dave. I hope there's some insight to the thoughts & motivations of rural & conservative America (that aren't always considered by us) in these titles.

      2 · December 2

    • Leo F.

      These ones from the Washington Post are pretty cool: https://www.washington...­

      December 1

    • Elizabeth

      Gah, the Post does lock up my iPad (may be time for a new iPad) & I noticed the Economist was incomplete. There's more to the 1st map listed that might be of some interest (incl a faq): http://www-personal.u...­. I'm curious if it's actually wrong.

      December 1

  • Jill W.

    EVERYONE ... please bring a gift wrapped used book for our holiday grab bag. Also bring a friend.

    1 · November 26

    • Leo F.

      That's a great idea, although I would suggest that one should only bring a friend if that friend is willing to engage in the kind of friendly, open-minded discussion I am proposing. No proselytizers, please.

      November 27

    • Tina C.

      I'll try to dig up a conservative friend, maybe Jill's punch will entice them in joining the conversation.lol

      1 · November 30

  • Jill W.

    But we have only limited choices in a democracy... usually two . In this case , two parties And oddly most real options we get are framed as two

    Pro choice.. pro life.etc

    Let's talk about midterm elections

    November 27

  • Jill W.

    LEO. .. I love the idea. As long as is not a candlelight vigil or support group. This is the holidays. I will have cookies and egg nog and punch with alcohol. Definitely alcohol. But with all of us being so liberal it will be hard to get a brawl going. I love a holiday brawl...

    2 · November 26

    • Leo F.

      Dave, I completely agree that when a label is given a clear definition (as you did), it can be very useful in trying to make sense of the world. The main problem I see with the two labels in question is that, in the way they are used here in the US, they reinforce a cultural divide. First, they imply that everyone is either a liberal or a conservative, as if there were only two possible world views (or as if all world views fell somewhere on a linear conservatism/liberalism scale). Second, for people who identify as members of one of these groups, these labels carry positive connotations about their own group and negative connotations about the other group. And finally, they imply a sort of equivalence between the two, suggesting that liberalism and conservatism are both fundamental(ist) ideological systems, so that there is no point in trying to reason with the other side to find common ground.

      1 · November 27

    • Leo F.

      These notions are often implied in the way people use those terms, including in the news media. Personally, I think that the most desirable (and the most realistic) solution for the political divide that does exist in America involves bridging the gap between cultures through dialogue, rather than one side “defeating” the other. Thus, it seems to me that, in the way they are currently used, those labels work against this goal.

      2 · November 27

  • Emily

    Great idea Leo, look forward to it!

    1 · November 27

  • Jill W.

    I will take responsibility for physical safety and security of all guests. I think we all have friends and love ones on the other side of the wall and we are more similar then different Maybe Leo cab ring a bell and pass,out chocolate when we identify common ground. I have 10 boxes of chocolate Santa's and penguins from school fundraisers for neighbor kids who have been ringing my bell. IT was either that or the wrapping paper.

    1 · November 27

  • Leo F.

    I understand that some of us are tired of hearing about the election, or feel bitter about the results or about the nature of the process and thus not in the mood for a rational, dispassionate discussion about the subject. That is completely understandable. This event is meant for those who are interested in having such a discussion.

    November 27

  • David D.

    What election? Did I miss something?

    November 26

  • Eileen T.

    To any of you who haven't heard about the "secret" Facebook group Pantsuit Nation -- it's an incredible totally positive support group for liberals. Men and women. However, one has to be "sponsored" to join the group. In 4 weeks it's gone to almost 4 million members. If any of you would like to join, "friend" me on FB and message me you want to join.

    November 26

  • Eileen T.

    Would love to be there but Bob and I will be in Iceland, probably trying to persuade people there that all Americans are not like Trump. Looking forward to hearing how the discussion goes and how delicious Jill's punch is.

    1 · November 26

  • Carol R.

    Sorry, the last thing I want to do is talk about the election. That's all I've been hearing about for weeks.

    November 26

  • Dave

    This sounds like a fabulous idea. I would love to attend and would be quite interested in having this type of meeting again. Unfortunately, I will be out of town that weekend and will be sorry to miss the discussion.

    1 · November 26

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  • Leo F.
    Organizer,
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    I am a cognitive neuroscientist­ working at the Medical College of Wisconsin. I moved to... more

  • David D.

    I'm a former classical musician, magazine writer and photographer (now retired), fly tier and... more

  • Pam R +1

    Am interested in discussions about challenging and mind-stretchin­g issues.

  • Emily

    Enjoy reading and discussing topics where I learn something and I'm challenged to think

  • Mary G.

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  • Elizabeth

    Hi. I'm so excited to learn of the Non-Fiction Book Club (Thanks Emily!)... more

  • Larisa

    Looking forward to the next conversation.

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  • Sharon

    I am a small business owner/book publisher and read mostly non-fiction. Love most... more

  • Alissa

    Looking forward to great discussions!

  • Paula S.

    I read to explore new ideas, and like to discuss what I've learned with others.

  • Eileen T.

    Love reading serious books and classic fiction. We're new to Milwaukee and so glad to have... more

  • Carol R.

    I'm a book indexer, and my background is in philosophy. I work alone, so I'd welcome some... more

  • Dave

    I read all different types of non-fiction and always have a pile of library books on the table.

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