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Re: [naturalbuilding-4] Happy New Year from the Chicago Natural Building Meetup!

From: Raven
Sent on: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 1:34 PM
Human beings are omnivores.  We were designed this way by (a) god(s) or Darwinism.  Humans are SUPPOSED to eat meat, and if you support the natural order of things you will not be opposed to other people eating animals, just like the majority of species we come in contact with do.  Due to humans OTHER fallible problems, some species, that eat other species,. have become extinct or relocated, severely damaging the ecosystem and harmony of all things because there was no longer anyone to, say, eat the ladybugs.  Thereby causing a lack of plants for others to eat, disease, and other things.  In fact if humans lived with their natural tendencies with all things, but every human ate only plants, there might still be damage to the planet caused by humans, because we are not eating the animals we are supposed to and keeping things in balance.

An animal deserves to be treated well.  A plant thrives in them middle school experiment in which one plant is conversed with and played music to and the other plant is screamed and sweared at.  Apparently, plants also deserve to be treated well.  What is it about a plant that makes you not respect it's right to life?

Killing (in general) CAN be wrong but IS NOT TORTURE and IS NOT ALWAYS WRONG.  Do you hate the guy who shoots his crippled dog?  (Okay, some do, but, many do not.)  Or do you hate the guy who takes his cancer-ridden, extremely sick dog to the vet to be euthanized?  Most people in groups like these highly support that, and use it as the basis of an argument that e should do so for humans because it is "so much nicer".  So, obviously, killing alone is not a problem.

OBVIOUSLY, eating "ground beef" from Wal-Mart is not a good way to treat animals.  However, even Wal-Mart (or Monstanto) does not "steal reproductive secretions," as the eggs put in the packages are from female-only coops and have no possibility of being fertilized.  If you wipe your penis off with toilet paper after masturbating, and someone takes that toilet paper (for some reason that has nothing to do with intending to use it for a baby, such as if they intend to eat it or decorate their wall with it), are you really going to care?  -Or rather, rephrase that...    if you are an animal with no conscious-level high enough to think it's "creepy," are you really going to care?

Personally, I eat from Jewel.  And Panera Bread.  And McDonald's.  This is the only way to get food without being tortured and kidnapped for it.  I have yet to see a Trader Joe's that sells a whole meal (or that is, you know, located somewhere possible, for that matter) which can last for half a day and is satisfying both taste-wise, texture-wise, and fullness-wise so that the first to things do not 'cause one need need to eat again.  I have yet to see a fast-food restaurant that cooks/prepares the food using the appliances/utensils which do not exist outside so that it is possible to actually eat the food, that uses only truly healthy, chemical-free foods, let alone that actually sells this food at a decent price.  I have yet to see America be a decent place to live and therefore not arrest or harass people who may wish to gro their own food on an unused parcel of land in an area which actually has decent business-buildings so they can return or base there.  So eating McDonald's sometimes - YES THAT'S RIGHT NOT EVEN JEWEL - is the ONLY way to eat food, every day, so that I do Not Die.  Sorry, the choice of death between myself and someone I've never met or heard about or seen or have any knowledge whatsoever, is obviously me the inner.  As it is for literally every single other human being ever, and also every animal, bug, and plant ever.  If you know of a Trader Joe's that sells hamburgers made from animals who were treated nicely which is big enough for a meal for less then $3 so that I can Not Die when I have $20 for the month please let me know.

On 1/8/2013 2:01 PM, Jonathan wrote:
rmonious future free from PVC and other dangerously toxic synthetic materials. I foresee us building vegan ecovillages here in Chicago and elsewhere. To this end, I want to surround myself with the people that share this peaceful vision and avoid connecting with those who aren't interested. In order to determine if this natural building meetup is an appropriate group for me, please let me know whether or not it encourages or otherwise endorses the status-quo treatment of our non-human brothers and sisters as commodities subject to enslavement, torture and killing.
Peace and love,

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