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September 11, 2013 - 1200000 went

2 Million Bikers to D.C.

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  • A former member

    In July 2003 President Bush autographed a small flag. This picture was circulated across the Internet noting its violation of the Flag Code: "The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature."

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  • A former member

    Thanks Walt. I believe that President Bush caught backlash because he wasn't civilian, a civilian group, or organization at the time he signed that flag. 4 USC SS.5: civilian, civilian groups, or organizations are not required to conform with those regulations. However, for the non-civilian population it's a good thing that we have regulations in place. Thus we don't want our officials or representatives desecrating or misrepresenting a US flag in representation of the United States and it's citizens.

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  • A former member

    Tom, are you saying 4 USC SS.5 is stating its OK for a civilian, civilian groups, or organizations to print whatever they like on a US flag?

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  • A former member

    Not at all, Walt. That section, I believe, is stating that the civilian population is not bound to the lengthy technical standards of 4 USC. For example, if a civilian wants to display an American flag on their wall at home, then they are not bound to 4 USC. Or, if a civilian wants to display an American flag in the rear window of their vehicle, then they are not bound to 4 USC. Or, if a biker wants to display an American flag on the rear luggage rack of their motorcycle, then they are not bound to 4 USC.

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  • A former member

    Wow! Your right. Its a shame folks can do what they want with our flag! Found this : "Although the Flag Code is U.S. federal law, it is only binding on government institutions displaying the flag: there is no penalty for a private citizen or group failing to comply with the Flag Code ." Glad most citizens & our veteran groups still show proper protocol & respect for our U.S. flag codes. I pray to God that I never see those 19 terrorist names on a American flag. Sad to think that our 1st. amendment rights also gives Americans the constitutional rights to disrespect about anything or anyone.

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  • A former member

    Walt, don't get me wrong. Even though civilians are exempt to the US flag code, and without penalty, there are many many inappropriate uses that I personally believe should be criminal (acts that are clearly malicious and evil). Flag burning and blatant malicious desecration are two examples that I'm personally opposed to. However, if someone wants to create a memorial flag or a US flag in other good taste, then we have the liberty to do so without penalty. Though civilians are not bound to federal flag code, we do have a moral obligation to respect the Stars and Stripes. Backlash is usually based upon moral grounds rather than legal ones... which is exactly what the 2 Million Bikers to DC was about. That ride wasn't about hatred for muslims, but rather the muslims malicious protesting and demanding separate protections on the anniversary of a terrorist event against innocent US citizens. Not one of those bikers had a problem if that muslim group would select any other 364 days of the year to protest. But just not on THAT day. The muslim group intent was malicious and disrespectful to the United States and it's citizens as a whole. Their actions equate to the KKK demonstrating on MLK day in our nations Capital. I hope you see this Ride was not about hatred, but rather exactly the opposite.

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  • A former member

    "Not one of those bikers had a problem if that muslim group would select any other 364 days of the year to protest." No doubt those folks love America Tom, but I still feel the majority rode because they still hate Muslims the other 364 days of the year too. I was glad the veteran & religious groups in this country could see what this protest group was trying to do & didn't help 21 Muslims prove their point to the world that major hate groups do exist in America. My guess this event got plenty of positive media coverage in some Muslim countries & probably used as another militant recruitment tool.

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  • J

    I am confused, Walt. You continue to make comment about hatred towards muslims. Is it wrong to hate Nazis? Is it wrong to hate the KKK? These are similar groups who feel that their way of life is "correct" and that by slaughtering all others they are cleansing the world of evils. This is the belief in the muslim faithful as well.

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  • A former member

    Walt, Society is a big Bell Curve, I am sure there were many in that group that did participate because of what you say, but in my heart, I hope they participated to honor those who died that day. If 80% participated to honor those poor souls that were taken prematurely, then we have a moral society that is trying...I am sorry you feel the way you do about your fellow americans and believe that hatred was the motivator, I do not and refuse to believe that, do I believe that there is hatred in the world, it's all around us, but if we put out the good message and have the light in our heart and soul for our fellow human beings, then maybe our light will extinguish the negative...you can only control your reactions and your thoughts, not others....always pay it forward brother!!

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  • A former member

    J, We forget to look in our own mirror sometimes. Our government has done its share of slathering too. We killed 100's of thousands of innocent men , women & children when we firebombed & nuked the country of Japan . They targeted our military. we targeted their innocent.

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  • J

    I would never argue that we are without guilt in this area. I take issue with your comments that belittle what this event was about. This was, and is, a celebration of the American way of life. Not what it has become, but what it should be, what our founding fathers fought to create for us. If you visit the web sites (51 of them) that promoted the event you will see that the event is about patriotism and freedom. Yes, there is mention of the gall that the muslim groups must have to try to have an event on 9/11. However, most of the conversations revolve around pride in our way of life and bringing back the traditional values that founded this country. I do not have issue with those that "hate" the muslim radicals. These groups continue to work to slaughter Americans and our allies. They are set upon changing our laws to suit their desires. They are the epitome of evil and have no place in our country or sharing our freedoms.

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  • J

    Not at all. This is what the liberal news would have you believe (back when that was the story that suited the liberal politicians). We are (in many cases wrongly) supposed to be preserving liberties and the interest of humanity in that section of the world. I am confused as to where you are going with this? I am not talking about WWII, nor have I mentioned anything about our positions on intervention in 3rd world politics. My questions are directed at you and your problem with hatred towards radical islam. These are the groups that the only thing they want more than to see you dead is to see your family dead as well. Your issue with my disgust towards them is?

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  • J

    btw - I don't see us as the protectors of the world and do not feel that we should intervene in many of the conflicts where we are fighting or have fought.

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  • A former member

    "They are set upon changing our laws to suit their desires." Is this not what our military missions are about in so many other countries? We all look at issues & events differently. That was a Muslim protest ride to me which in no way was intended to promote peace. Some people will use patriotism to paint over their true colors. I still respect others right to free speech even when I don't like it.

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  • J

    You get your info that this is/was a muslim protest ride where? Your source for this info? I have followed this since its infancy and no where have I seen the organizers claim that this was an anti muslim ride. I have seen them state that it is our responsibility as Americans to honor our fallen of 9/11/01 and not allow those who caused them harm the ability to overshadow our remembrances, IF it was the case that this was a protest against radical islam your issue with this?

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  • A former member

    Info. is out there if your willing to look. You can hate anyone you want including me. It is your right. Your anger is beginning to show because of our different views about this subject so I'm done with it. Peace

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  • J

    No anger Walt. Just the difficulty of communicating in type. I am just inquiring as to where you got your info about the ride. You seem dead set that this was somehow something other than what it was and I wonder where you got the info?

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  • A former member

    Wow! Really! Was it necessary to have a political debate on this site? If this had been anyone else airing there views here on this or another subject they would have been asked to curb there thinking or blocked from this site. Think about it gentleman practice what is preached on are header. Leave the attitude behind, I'll leave to another but think these posts should be deleted ASAP. Now take a deep breath and let it go please.

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  • A former member

    Per J's request - http://www.wsmv.com/story/23403418/2-million-bikers-to-rally-in-dc-protest-muslim-event http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2418211/2-Million-Bikers-descend-DC-protest-Muslim-9-11-rally.html

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  • A former member

    About time you show some attitude Darel. These kind of sites get pretty boring when folks don't speak up. Delete these posts?? I respect J ,Tom , anyone for stand-n up for what they believe in even if we don't agree. Relax my friend. Its only opinions.

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  • A former member

    I agree as long it's open to any subject! That doesn't seem to be the case here I've seen folks booted from the site for much less then this type of behavior but then I guess it depends on whose involved or to put it plainly who's running the show so to speak, Enjoy gentlemen.

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  • J

    OK- I will cover a few things and then let it go. 1) This subject is something that I am VERY passionate about (as should everyone here be). Our rights as Americans shall not be infringed upon by those who mean to do us harm. Yes- I will voice that here and anywhere. As the president of this group, the main organizer of the group and the person who commits the most time and effort to it I have some degree of flexibility as to what I post. No, not any subject is open to discussion here. Motorcycle related topics are welcomed. This is a topic relating to the largest motorcycle event outside of Sturgis. To date only 4 persons have been banned from this group. The first was for repeated unsafe riding habits. All three of the others were based on personal attacks on members. I have not, nor will I ban a member for healthy debate. This being a subject that affects every one of us as bikers and Americans it is important to clear the air on it. That said: Walt, both articles claim, in their titles, that the ride was in protest of the muslim march. Nowhere in the article does it state any such actions. In fact one of the articles (UK one) looks like it was made up without doing any research. It states that the permits were never issued (which they were), it states that there were several thousand bikes which stretched about 1/3 mile long. Arial estimated counts of the bikes were between 880,000 and 1.5 million bikes. As I have followed the details of this event since its onset I will attempt to clear the air on it. The roots of the event were, indeed, reactionary to the Million Muslim March. The origins of which were rooted in hate speech and Jariah law. There was never any attempt by the organizers of the event to infringe upon the rights of the muslim group, only to express that this should be a day to honor the fallen of 9/11/01. Once the muslim group changed their "mission" to a more peaceful message the biker group's tome changed to "well they should pick a different day". The connotations of a muslim march on 9/11 cannot be good. The ENTIRE mission of the organizers of this was to host a peaceful march in remembrance of those who lost their lives in the attacks of 9/11/01. The ride was welcomed by police (many of which rode with the group) and other emergency/government officials. Their was only 1 arrest made in relation to the ride (2 days before the even for carrying a gun in Maryland where it is against the law). There were 3 deaths to bikers en route to the event when they were cut off by traffic. The main event occurred without an issue. The entire tone was in memory of the victims of 9/11.

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  • A former member

    Sorry to hear riders lives were lost. Glad it was a peaceful ride. We all ride for various reasons & causes. I didn't see / hear of riders attending any of the several 911 memorial services in the DC area but I'm sure some did. A ride to ground zero sights & stand with those who are still suffering the most is the kind of ride events Id like to see, not one fueled by anger & drawing more attention to a Muslim protest. That was what this group wanted & a lot of folks don't realize they helped them do it. How come we never see Rides for Peace?

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  • J

    I think that a combination of your 2 comments sounds PERFECT. A ride for peace to ground zero. Sounds like a plan for next spring!

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  • A former member

    I have never been to N.Y. city & would like to pay my respects @ the Towers site. I'll help with organizing a ride there.

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  • A former member

    May I suggest that a group ride to NYC include a stop in Shanksville, PA. Also, on 9/11/13 while in DC at the rally point between 8 am and 10 am (a 2 hour ceremony) we did have a memorial service that EVERYONE attended (but of course this wasn't reported in the media). We listened to speeches, cheered together, recited the National Anthem, and prayed together. Some folks hastily jump to conclusions and opinions about this ride and what all did and didn't occur when they weren't even there.

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  • J

    Well put, Tom! I even read in one article that the bikers were roaring their engines while those at the mall were observing the moment of silence at 8:46am (amazing how that happened when the ride did not take off until 11am).

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  • A former member

    I think the media did the right thing . It was about 911 - not 21 Muslins .

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