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RE: [newtech-1] Web Development Recommendations

From: Dean C.
Sent on: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:33 PM

Andy, obviously we are using some external API’s (Facebook/Twitter etc) that when a person logs into a chat it sends an alerts into their social network feeds, We also use OpenX to serve up our ads, but everything else is developed in house.

 

All of the chat/scaling/analytics/reporting/ui etc is all developed in house.

 

Also keep in mind we are still at only Version 0.7 – we still haven’t even started developing our real application yet (our primary genre isn’t even sports even though we have launched 11 live sport chat sites already), our real chat concept is something entirely different to sports so a lot of what we are developing isn’t publicly viewable yet.

 

 

Regards,

Dean Collins
LiveChatConcepts inc
[address removed]

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From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Monday, 13 September 2010 2:16 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [newtech-1] Web Development Recommendations

 

In the case of Live Chat Concepts Dean, I'd be curious how much "real IP," how much innovation you've caused, generated, engendered or inspired, that you have to worry about in the first place. If you're just layering and glueing other technologies together, then maybe there is no core competency to outsource .

 

--ab

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Dean Collins <[address removed]> wrote:

Sure but Fred Wilson isn't throwing money into these pre funded alpha startups to get them to the stage that they can afford to bring in a team of 6-10 people to do development.

 

I'm in a lucky position that I make enough money from other areas that I can pay for a UI/graphic designer and my co-founder doing the software development has a full time business that allows him to spend 20 hours a week on Live Chat Concepts.

 

If someone wants to invest 1-2m+ into the company for 10% then sure I can bring on a team to speed development, until then I'm more than happy to pay as we go and develop within a budget that’s appropriate.

 

Speed to market is one thing - making a ROI is also important.

 

Regards,

Dean Collins
LiveChatConcepts inc
[address removed]

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> From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of

> Jonathan Vanasco

> Sent: Monday, 13 September[masked]:36 PM

> To: [address removed]

> Subject: Re: [newtech-1] Web Development Recommendations

>

>

> On Sep 13, 2010, at 10:03 AM, Andy wrote:

>

> > Fairly relevant though not a deep-dive opinion from Fred Wilson:

> >

> > http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2010/09/outsourcing.html

>

> Thanks Andy!

>

> I love this line, from Fred Wilson :

>

>

>          Specifically, I think it is always a bad thing for the founding team

> of a software company to outsource software development. We see this a

> lot. A team will come into our office and pitch us. When I ask how

> many people they have, they say "this is all of us". Then I say, "who

> is writing code?" And they say, "we've hired a company to do that for

> us." That is a very disappointing moment for me because it means we

> almost certainly won't invest in that team. We believe that software

> companies must own their most important capability themselves and that

> is the ability to produce their product in house.

>

>

> I echo that statement every week on this list - as it has been the

> status quo for ages - and people think they can challenge it.

>

> Perhaps now that Fred Wilson is saying the same stuff, people will

> listen.

>

>

>

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