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Re: [newtech-1] No Coders left in America?

From: Klaus S.
Sent on: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:44 PM
It's a two-way street and in a startup things only work if both sides can safely assume that everybody works in good faith to move things forward. The "lazy" non-tech founder who wants a hardworking coder to make them rich is as much a nightmare as the coder who already balances too many projects and takes another one just in case it might go somewhere and then doesn't deliver.

To Kim: I assume you heard somewhere that coding in India is "cheaper"? We all heard that at least once in our careers. The problem is in software development, there is no such thing as cheap. You need to define carefully what you want to develop and you need to find a trustworthy partner for your implementation. Doing the latter on price alone will invariably fail. Oh, and did I mention you will need twice the amount of cash reserves that you think your project will cost? Because the first attempt at implementation will very likely only show you where your assumptions were wrong and you'll need a second pass.

To everybody else: What exactly is wrong with looking for the best talent you can get regardless of nationality or current residence? I have worked with teams on every continent and the value they all contributed certainly varied. But it had little to do with the price per hour they charged or the location they resided in. Sometimes bidding too low does prevent people from giving good value in return. But in my experience, there are a ton of other factors that are far more likely to trip you up - between communication challenges, timeline problems and founders' inability to predict or describe what they need, you have plenty of opportunity for problems ;-)

If anybody needs recommendations for off-shore development, ask me off list - I've had plenty of good and bad experiences and will only recommend the folks who have done rock-solid reliable work.

Klaus

On Feb 25, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Andy wrote:

A leading reason why, Cynthia, is because non-technical people often expect "coders" to provide free analysis work while helping non-technical people figure out their problem and solution sets, and how technology fits in. A lot of "coders" have been burned in the past by someone not knowing how to provide technical requirements for their technical projects, helping elicit and define those requirements, solving technical problems along the way, and then getting burnt when someone runs away with their free documentation and requirements to oDesk or eLance.

Might I suggest you approach these scenarios with an upfront inquiry for paid analysis, which would help you bridge the gulf of understanding and technical gaps?

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On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Cynthia Schames <[address removed]> wrote:
I have to stick up for Kimberly here for a minute.  It is VERY difficult to get coders to talk to you in any meaningful way if you're a non-technical founder.  And I'm not saying everyone's a sexist, but I believe it's even harder if you're female and non-technical. 

There are a million reasons why, and I don't have the time or energy to unpack them all right now, but the bottom line is that it's not about access to an email list of available talent, or about unemployment rates.  It's about finding a partner who's interested in, sees the value of, and is willing to work alongside a non-technical founder.



On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Charles <[address removed]> wrote:
Let me see if I understand this....
We are on a distribution of over 30,000 technologists.  We have record high unemployment in the US.
And we are concluding there are no coders left in America so the only options are sending the work to India.  Is that what I just read?

Charles


From: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [newtech-1] Indian Coders
To: [address removed]
Date: Mon, 25 Feb[masked]:33:59 -0500

Hi Kimberly,
I have my own team and am following   similar kind of strategy.
If you like email me and we can talk offline. I do have a few sites completed check this one www.iseozone.com


Thanks,
Apurva

On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:44, "K. Lane" <[address removed]> wrote:

Good Morning Everyone,

I'm sure this question gets asked from time-to-time: does anyone have experience using Indian programmers/coders.  I'm bootstrapping right now, have tried the "sweat equity" route to find a coder/programmer, and it hasn't really gone well.
At this point, in order to develop a minimum viable product, I'm willing to scrape up funds from somewhere and just outsource the job overseas.

Thanks,

Kimberly

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