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Re: [newtech-1] No Coders left in America?

From: Teresa B.
Sent on: Monday, February 25, 2013 3:42 PM
I rarely engage in debates via the form but as an American developer I wanted to chime in...

Most people don't seem to care about quality...saying that cheaper is always better is applying the Walmart mentality to the software industry. It is also insulting as a professional to hear that some one thinks writing good software is just some utility skill that any one with half a mind can do. That kind of thinking is usually employed by some one that has never written any software (no that website you did once does not count).  When some one hires me they know my work ethic and proven track record for writing quality, maintainable software.  They know for a fact that they are getting what they pay for. I've worked at places where they have used a lot of overseas "talent" and found that I spent a lot of time helping them debug their code (because they didn't know how), and refactoring spaghetti they threw up and called it done.  This isn't to say that only American devs are good...we have some piss poor excuses for developers here as well.  The good thing about working in the tech industry and being good at what you do is that you have a choice to not work for companies that want to nickle and dime you.

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Klaus Sonnenleiter <[address removed]> wrote:
Yes, the cost per person-hour is lower in other countries. But remember, it's about skills, not skulls. It all depends on what you want to build and finding the right people to help you with it. If price per hour is your number one concern, you're looking at things backwards.

On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Calin Culianu wrote:

Well American coders cost a lot.  Indian coders cost less.  

I would go with Romanian coders myself. They are cheaper than the Indians and smarter.

Contact me privately if you want me to hook you up with my Romanian IT recruiter guy that is AWESOME.

-Calin



From: Charles <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Monday, February 25,[masked]:42 PM
Subject: [newtech-1] No Coders left in America?

Let me see if I understand this....
We are on a distribution of over 30,000 technologists.  We have record high unemployment in the US.
And we are concluding there are no coders left in America so the only options are sending the work to India.  Is that what I just read?

Charles


From: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [newtech-1] Indian Coders
To: [address removed]
Date: Mon, 25 Feb[masked]:33:59 -0500

Hi Kimberly,
I have my own team and am following   similar kind of strategy.
If you like email me and we can talk offline. I do have a few sites completed check this one www.iseozone.com


Thanks,
Apurva

On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:44, "K. Lane" <[address removed]> wrote:

Good Morning Everyone,

I'm sure this question gets asked from time-to-time: does anyone have experience using Indian programmers/coders.  I'm bootstrapping right now, have tried the "sweat equity" route to find a coder/programmer, and it hasn't really gone well.
At this point, in order to develop a minimum viable product, I'm willing to scrape up funds from somewhere and just outsource the job overseas.

Thanks,

Kimberly

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