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Re: [newtech-1] Chrome is safer (was: Mac is cracked in 10 seconds

From: Michael M.
Sent on: Sunday, March 29, 2009 2:34 PM
What makes Chrome slower?  Javascript performance should be close.  I image google will be working hard to make gDocs run well with chrome.

-Mike
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 29, 2009, at 1:57 PM, James Gillmore <[address removed]> wrote:

Chrome's performance is 20x worse than FireFox. Try opening a million google spreadsheets in it (each with a lot of data). Firefox will hold-up way better.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Kevin <[address removed]> wrote:
I agree.  Use chrome.  The only thing I don't like about it is not
having flashblock.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Michael Mellinger
<[address removed]> wrote:
> By the way, if Victor's message was really about security, he would be
> telling Windows users to switch to Chrome.
>
> Their sandbox model was not hacked during the contest.
>
> -Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 29, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Kevin <[address removed]> wrote:
>
>> No offense, but that's a really bad argument.  We're here to talk
>> about tech, right?  I find it really interesting that the mac was
>> hacked that easily, so its a good discussion.  The mac is clearly not
>> that much more secure, right?  Or is it?  State the case.
>>
>> What does "more secure" mean?  How much more?  Would the answer be "a
>> lot" or "barely".  Its not really a true/false situation because its a
>> matter of opinion, and depends on several variables.  The average mac
>> user is probably a little more web-aware than the average PC user (I
>> use my parents as the average PC user).  The mac being more secure in
>> that case has nothing to do with the platform itself.  Also, the days
>> when the mac was a smaller target are pretty much over going forward.
>> In no small part because of the advertising of its safety.  Nothing
>> gets people to step up like a challenge (by "people" I mean a-holes,
>> lonely teens, and criminals).  Also, you know, the extremely fast
>> increase in consumer market share.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Michael Mellinger
>> <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Victor would disagree with you on security through obscurity.
>>> At any rate, we aren't really debating that.
>>> Is this statement true or false?  The Mac is more secure than the PC.
>>>
>>> You aren't being asked to provide any other thoughts or opinions.  We
>>> could
>>> argue for quite a while on reasons.  However, victor, for example,
>>> usually
>>> ends up something like "the mac is only more secure because it is less
>>> popular.  This translates to "it is more secure." Now since we all agree
>>> on
>>> this point, I see no reason to argue further. Apple can make the claim
>>> that
>>> they are more secure.
>>> -Mike
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Mar 29, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Andrew <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Security through obscurity is never truly secure, it just engenders a
>>> false
>>> sense of security.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:22 AM, Michael Mellinger
>>> <[address removed]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So can we agree that Macs are more secure because they are less of a
>>>> target?
>>>>
>>>> People don't have to worry about 100,000+ viruses that PCs users have
>>>> to worry about.  The bottom line is that you are safer running Mac OS.
>>>>  We can debate the reasons but the final answer is the same.
>>>>
>>>> ">> > I don't watch TV, but I am curious; is Apple still running
>>>> commercials
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> Macs are portrayed as being more secure than PCs?"
>>>>
>>>> -Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:51 AM, Victor Shamanovsky
>>>> <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice try, try reading what you post, before you post it.
>>>>>
>>>>> In an interview with Tom���s Hardware, Miller stated, ���I���d say that Macs
>>>>> are
>>>>> less secure for the reasons we���ve discussed here (lack of
>>>>> anti-exploitation
>>>>> technologies) but are more safe because there simply isn���t much malware
>>>>> out
>>>>> there. For now, I���d still recommend Macs for typical users as the odds
>>>>> of
>>>>> something targeting them are so low that they might go years without
>>>>> seeing
>>>>> any malware, even though if an attacker cared to target them it would
>>>>> be
>>>>> easier for them.���
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Michael Mellinger
>>>>> <[address removed]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a quick follow up to Victor's post.  Just in case anyone takes
>>>>>> him a credible source of information.   The guy who won the contest
>>>>>> that Victor was gloating about has stated several times that Macs are
>>>>>> safer than Windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/03/26/pwn2own-contest-winner-macs-are-safer-than-windows/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Victor Shamanovsky
>>>>>> <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't watch TV, but I am curious; is Apple still running
>>>>>>> commercials
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> Macs are portrayed as being more secure than PCs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Mark Coates <[address removed]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's what you call 'Accessibility.'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark Coates
>>>>>>>> Lead Software Engineer
>>>>>>>> ZepInvest
>>>>>>>> [P]: (580)[masked]
>>>>>>>> [F]: (708)[masked]
>>>>>>>> [E]: [address removed]
>>>>>>>> http://www.zepinvest.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Victor Shamanovsky
>>>>>>>> <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=printArticleBasic&taxonomyName=Security&articleId=9129978&taxonomyId=17
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Charlie Miller, the security researcher who hacked a Mac in two
>>>>>>>>> minutes
>>>>>>>>> last year at CanSecWest's PWN2OWN contest, improved his time today
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> breaking into another Mac in under 10 seconds."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lol
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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