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Star Trek Video -   Subject: Star Trek Video Where: Democracy Center On Friday, we will have a showing of Episode 9, Season two from 6:30 until 7:00 pm. The regular meeting will start at 7:00 pm Ron W. Jul 28, 2016 8:54 PM
(More) Diagrams for Extracting Pictures & Images - TO: Members of the Boston Philosophy of Mind MeetUp I have changed the diagram listed in the announcement for the meeting on Friday ( April 15 ).  I have added new diagrams. Ron W. Apr 14, 2016 8:55 AM
Re: [philosophy-185] Diagram for Extracting Mental Images -   Hi Ron,   Brent A. Apr 12, 2016 3:22 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Diagram for Extracting Mental Images - Hi Brent,   Thank you for sending me the YouTube video.  I really enjoyed it.   Ron W. Apr 12, 2016 9:25 AM
Re: [philosophy-185] Diagram for Extracting Mental Images - Hi Ron, I can understand your desire not to use the word qualia.  We so need Brent A. Apr 10, 2016 6:13 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Diagram for Extracting Mental Images - Hi Brent, It is good to hear from you. I appreciate your comments and especially the YouTube viedo. Later this week I will try to formulate a reply to you comments.  I ma Ron W. Apr 10, 2016 5:00 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Diagram for Extracting Mental Images - Hi Ron, Very interesting diagram showing how mental images are extracted Brent A. Apr 10, 2016 1:53 PM
Diagram for Extracting Mental Images - TO: Members of the Boston Philosophy of Mind MeetUp I have added a diagram to the announcement for the meeting on Friday (April 15) The diagram purports to show how mental images are extracted from a person's brain. http:/ Ron W. Apr 10, 2016 1:37 PM
RE: Additional Reference on Qualia - Dear Fellow Philosophers, I recently realized that the list of references for the March 18 meeting is incomplete.  The list does not contain a reference that argues against the notion of qualia. To makeup for this, I have Ron W. Mar 12, 2016 4:59 PM
Material for Discussion at meeting on Friday - Preview not available Ron W. Oct 14, 2013 3:13 PM
Be careful when you click on "subscribe" - It has come to my attention that an email from Jake DiMare <[address removed]> with the title "We have removed your email address from our list." have been sent to the entire group with an attachment and it incl Kar Sep 25, 2013 9:35 AM
Good Men Article List: You are now unsubscribed - Good Men Article List Jake D. Sep 24, 2013 3:16 PM
4 TED talks on consciousness - Searle, Dennett, Damasio, and Lewis - p { margin: 0; } Found these on TED... http://blog.ted.com/2013/07/22­/4-talks-on-a-strange-phenomen­on-we-all-experience-consciou John Jul 22, 2013 2:29 PM
eastnileuc - http://au-four.com/fjhfei/hkrc­zpxf.sjqirnewqjkxxida Zhaochen H. Jul 21, 2013 6:17 AM
Daniel Dennett is giving a free lecture on Apr. 8, 2013 - "Dennett on Thinking" http://www.meetup.com/Cambridg­e-Moveable-Feast/events/112389­462 Monday, April 8, 2013 MJ Apr 7, 2013 5:58 PM
Meetup postponed to November 2 - Critique of Neuroscience & Philosophy (Dennett and Searle) -   We will not meet on October 26.  Instead we will meet on November 2. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~­~~~~~~~~~~~ Meetup : "Critique of Neuroscience & Philoso Ron W. Oct 21, 2012 3:04 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] We need a new place to meet - Ron, Kar Oct 8, 2012 9:58 PM
We need a new place to meet - Ron W. Oct 8, 2012 8:40 PM
Fall Schedule - The Boston Philosophy of Mind Group - Preview not available Ron W. Sep 26, 2012 8:17 PM
Meetup details changed: John Gregg will give a talk on Panpsychism - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/philosop­hy-185/events/82714192/ New date & Location: When Ron W. Sep 24, 2012 2:56 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Request for Philosophy of Mind Topics - Nice list! Kar Aug 27, 2012 12:36 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Request for Philosophy of Mind Topics - I like those! M Maynard S. C. Aug 27, 2012 11:28 AM
Re: [philosophy-185] Request for Philosophy of Mind Topics - Hello All, We could also utilize one of the MIT open course ware reading and lecture materials. I found the following ones  interesting and related to what we have been discussing.   Nees Aug 26, 2012 11:00 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Request for Philosophy of Mind Topics - Daniel Dennett? and his followers? What about the philosophy department at Tufts and who they spawned, incluiding Norman Daniels now at the Harvard School of Public Health in MY Department? Maynard S. C. Aug 23, 2012 6:39 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Request for Philosophy of Mind Topics - Each of the TOPICS in the Charlie Rose neuroscience series on PBS (cohosted with Harvard's Eric Kandel) could provide fodder for discussion, with some truly EXCELLENT VIDEO to watch - rather than merely texts to read). There cou Maynard S. C. Aug 23, 2012 6:38 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Request for Philosophy of Mind Topics - In reply to Kar: The thing that has always struck me as a problem about our theories of mind is the relationship between cause and effect in the production of our sense datum-or maybe I should say our qualia. It completely baffles me how I can construe a Richard Aug 23, 2012 3:41 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Request for Philosophy of Mind Topics - For me, the biggest mystery is the nature of subjective experience.  Qualia, etc.  Why does subjective experience exist, and how do we relate it to neurology? Best, Zhao On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Zachary Bo Zhaochen H. Aug 23, 2012 1:44 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Request for Philosophy of Mind Topics - Who is it that views robots as being conscious? Which robots, natch? All best, Zachary Zachary B. Aug 23, 2012 1:04 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Request for Philosophy of Mind Topics - Ron, Kar Aug 23, 2012 1:02 PM
Request for Philosophy of Mind Topics - Ron W. Aug 19, 2012 9:05 PM
Cartoons of several philosophers - https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net­/hphotos-ash4/307192_282280811­786333_5783972_n.jpg Maynard S. C. Jul 24, 2012 5:17 PM
Very funny comment about my book on Amazon - Some of you probably know that I released an ebook titled "Where are the zombies? - Why are we conscious?-" on Amazon. Here zomb Kar Jul 7, 2012 11:15 AM
My newest article... - Jake D. Jan 10, 2012 5:11 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Personal Identity and Personhood - Another interesting article for tomorrow's discussion: Uploading yourself to the internet , titled "Duali Kar Dec 8, 2011 10:50 AM
Re: [philosophy-185] Personal Identity and Personhood - I cannot attend on December 9th because I go to the GBBCC*, which (at about the same time) is having a talk (after the buffet dinner) on Maynard S. C. Dec 7, 2011 5:31 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Personal Identity and Personhood - For those who are going to our meeting this Friday, we will be gathering in the Starbucks Coffee area at 6:30 pm (to the left of Kar Dec 7, 2011 5:26 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Personal Identity and Personhood - I said "in spirit" cause no matter how I try, the Gabi Dec 2, 2011 9:59 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Personal Identity and Personhood - So far we have the following votes: Beth: Y Gabi: Y (in spirit, thanks! Kar Dec 2, 2011 11:36 AM
Re: [philosophy-185] Personal Identity and Personhood - Vote: Yes Gabi Nov 19, 2011 10:30 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Personal Identity and Personhood - Dear friends, And of course, still not listed among the many good books already suggested Kar Nov 19, 2011 5:45 PM
RE: [philosophy-185] Personal Identity and Personhood - Fred et al., one book I'd recommend on the subjective self you're getting at is Metzinger's The Ego Tunnel, reviewed at http://www.naturalism.org/metz­inger.htm The section of the review that's about the self as self-model is http://www.naturalism. user 1. Nov 18, 2011 4:26 PM
RE: [philosophy-185] Personal Identity and Personhood - I am most interested in somehow hammering out a deeper sense of the subjective self -- what Ron means to himself when he says 'I think either of these topics would be interesting.' What is the 'I' that is the subject of this sentence?' What do I mean t Fred H. Nov 18, 2011 3:56 PM
RE: [philosophy-185] Personal Identity and Personhood - Ron W. Nov 18, 2011 12:35 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Discussing "Personal Identity" and "Personhood" - p { margin: 0; } davebuehler Nov 17, 2011 4:05 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Discussing "Personal Identity" and "Personhood" - Fred H. Nov 17, 2011 3:36 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Discussing "Personal Identity" and "Personhood" - No doubt, John Perry's  Personal Identity  (1975) and ensuing books are worthy and useful contributions to the discussion. Had I not listed tha Maynard S. C. Nov 17, 2011 11:11 AM
Re: [philosophy-185] Discussing "Personal Identity" and "Personhood" - Fred H. Nov 17, 2011 10:53 AM
Re: [philosophy-185] Discussing "Personal Identity" and "Personhood" - I'd be willing to look carefully at analyses of how different philosophies fail to come to terms with these questions, Fred et al. Does Buddhism fail us here in thinking that there IS no foundation to the self, when they claim that we as a result Maynard S. C. Nov 17, 2011 10:38 AM
Re: [philosophy-185] Discussing "Personal Identity" and "Personhood" - I would love to read a good book on identity, by which I mean the entity contemplated by such phrases as "I gotta be me." What is the difference being appealed to in that sentence between "I" and "me", such that "I" can reasonably be said to aspire to Fred H. Nov 17, 2011 10:13 AM
Discussing "Personal Identity" and "Personhood" - Whose PERSONHOOD? One of the several complication sof the 'personhood' movement in faith-based communities is that they are SPECIESIST and only discussion WHEN HUMAN personhood is thought be commence. However, not onl Maynard S. C. Nov 16, 2011 11:01 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Personal Identity and Personhood - Thank you, its a great idea. Gabi Gabi Nov 16, 2011 10:34 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Personal Identity and Personhood - Thank you Kar. Great idea. I always say yes and am always with you in spirit. Discussion would be great. Gabi Gabi Nov 16, 2011 10:33 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Personal Identity and Personhood - If what is legally known of as personhood was lawfully established at the point of conception and not as it is now by the registration of the baby's parents on a birth certificate it would render all those born in that area as instant wards of the sta elroy Nov 16, 2011 8:25 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Personal Identity and Personhood - I'd be interested! beth Nov 16, 2011 7:44 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Personal Identity and Personhood - You mean personhood as it relates to maritime admiralty law?   On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Kar < [address removed] > wrote: elroy Nov 16, 2011 7:43 PM
Personal Identity and Personhood - The Mississippi "personhood" initiative has been rejected by more than 55 percent of voters on Tuesday. If the amendment had passed, the State of Mississippi would have defined the beginning of personhood at the point of conception. De Kar Nov 16, 2011 6:47 PM
Fw: Tomorrow: "Monism vs. Dualism: Revisiting an Old Debate with New Insights" - When you walk into the library, just ask the librarians about "Philosophy of Mind Group", and they will direct you to Kar Sep 14, 2011 3:43 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Classical philosophical "problem of evil" vs. problems that EVIL poses - Hi Maynard, Great question! It'd sure be great to survey fo Brent A. Aug 24, 2011 12:48 AM
Classical philosophical "problem of evil" vs. problems that EVIL poses - What ARE the problems that EVIL poses?  I'm looking for a relatively COMPLETE LIST of PROBLEMS that EVIL (itself) poses: (a) there are IDEAS about evil (various kinds of intellectual and other problems) and then (b) there Maynard S. C. Aug 22, 2011 12:15 PM
CONSEQUENTIALIST arguments - Let us suppose that it's 'economic' or merely 'prudential' - Seeking valid and well-framed CONSEQUENTIALIST arguments for public and/or private funding for an aggressive Maynard S. C. Aug 17, 2011 5:12 PM
Any suggestion on discussion topics in September - We are having a unofficial summer break. In September, we hope to resume our meetup discussions on consciousness. If anyone has any suggestion or wo Kar Aug 11, 2011 1:09 PM
Our last hurrahs coming in Jan and Feb - Fellow Philosophers of the Mind, As all finite things have an ending, so too will our group - at least in its current form - pass into fond memory. Around March 1 I'm leaving Boston to obey my long-held delusion of heading into the Sean L. Dec 29, 2010 6:28 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] Happy Holidays and hope to see you in January - Mike Dec 22, 2010 2:22 AM
Happy Holidays and hope to see you in January - Dear Ponderers of the Mind, It's been a while since we've gotten together to ponder the impenetrable, so it's time to catch up again. I'll be in touch soon with a new announcement and scheduling the next few meetings for January and February. Sean L. Dec 21, 2010 11:37 AM
Re: Gabi has an idea for The Boston Philosophy of Mind Group - It is easier for me to just respond by email then to respond on the meetup website because I don't remember my password off hand. I did see Fred Hapgood Kar Dec 20, 2010 8:34 AM
RE: [philosophy-185] Respecting privacy: why consciousness isn't even epiphenomenal - Hi Folks, Just a quick note to apologize that our meetings have lapsed of late. Unfortunately I've been underwater distracted with 10-headed sea serpents and their laser guided nano-bot accomplices = office re-organization. Hope to re-start the meetings Sean L. May 27, 2010 7:27 AM
Respecting privacy: why consciousness isn't even epiphenomenal - Hi Sean and Boston Philosophy of Mind, Hope this finds all well and working feverishly on the hard problem. I'm writing to let you know about Respecting privacy: why consciousness isn't even epiphenomenal (abs user 1. May 26, 2010 8:32 PM
Philosophy of Mind Meeting this evening - Sean L. Mar 26, 2010 12:34 PM
RE: [philosophy-185] Meetup details changed: Digital Mind Math - Preview not available Dr John D. Mar 26, 2010 9:52 AM
FW: Reminder: Selmer Bringsjord Today! - Sean L. Mar 26, 2010 8:57 AM
Meetup details changed: Digital Mind Math - Hi Folks, After an inventory of the available chairs on our 5th floor, I've expanded the limit for this meeting to 18, so there should be room for all who want to come. Also, since I always wear out before everybody else and hence Sean L. Mar 26, 2010 8:22 AM
FW: Neuphi on Friday: Selmer Bringsjord! - Sean L. Mar 22, 2010 8:30 AM
Re: [philosophy-185] What is supernatural? - p { margin: 0; } Thanks! I also recommend Peter Unger's book, ALL THE POWER IN THE WORLD, which demystifies [th davebuehler Mar 18, 2010 3:50 PM
What is supernatural? - Since we have argued about what is supernatural and what is not in our meetings, I just came across this interesting article written by someone who can articula Kar Mar 17, 2010 10:49 PM
RE: [philosophy-185] The Chinese Room Argument - Only if you think practical mnemonics are superfluous. Fred ----- Original message ----- From: "Sean Lee" To: [address removed] Date: Thu, 11 Mar[masked]:18:29 -0500 Subject: RE: [philosophy-185] The Chinese Room Fred H. Mar 11, 2010 4:35 PM
RE: [philosophy-185] The Chinese Room Argument - This is what comes to mind: No causality: 2-D hand-drawn animation. One frame after another drawn by hand, no real connection, but appears to hav Kar Mar 11, 2010 4:35 PM
RE: [philosophy-185] The Chinese Room Argument - I agree causality is a practical mnemonic. But the real job of meaningfully connecting events in time is already done by whatever theory you ascribe to when you describe the phenomenon. Of course every theory is a human construction, so the notion of some Sean L. Mar 11, 2010 2:18 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] The Chinese Room Argument - > I don't get what we gain by positing some extra spooky > ingredient called 'causality' that magically flows > from one event to the other like pflogiston of old. In actual practice what we gain is the economy of a ready- made default orientation t Fred H. Mar 11, 2010 10:36 AM
Re: [philosophy-185] The Chinese Room Argument - Personaly I have no idea what people even mean by 'causality'. From a good naturalist point of view it just seems like more leftover metaphysical baggage not far removed from teleology. As natura Sean L. Mar 11, 2010 8:22 AM
Re: [philosophy-185] The Chinese Room Argument - Oh no, you're not missing anything. I think John G. Mar 11, 2010 6:45 AM
RE: [philosophy-185] The Chinese Room Argument - Hi John, I have been working on a reply to Kar's ob Ken Mar 11, 2010 1:54 AM
RE: [philosophy-185] The appearance of reality - Fred, I think we've been through all this a couple of times, so I'll simply quote Thomas Metzinger in a just-released podcast user 1. Mar 10, 2010 9:33 PM
RE: [philosophy-185] The appearance of reality - Tom -- > But it *isn't* sitting out there, it only appears for and exists for > me, which is why I say consciousness, unlike the rock, doesn't exist > intersubjectively. You're using the present tense here, so I guess I can sort of see how you ca Fred H. Mar 10, 2010 2:31 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] The appearance of reality - p { margin: 0; } That exciting, Tom! I am thinking of two works by Polanyi (Personal Knowledge and Tacit Dimension) and I thn davebuehler Mar 10, 2010 1:57 PM
RE: [philosophy-185] The appearance of reality - What I'm saying, and I think it's a generally accepted fact about consciousness, is that experiences are always had by individual conscious subject user 1. Mar 10, 2010 1:24 PM
RE: [philosophy-185] The appearance of reality - Tom -- > Consciousness *doesn't exist* intersubjectively; it isn't available > for the 3rd person outside perspective, only subjectively, for a 1st > person internal perspective - that's the weird thing about > consciousness. The point that w Fred H. Mar 10, 2010 11:02 AM
RE: [philosophy-185] The appearance of reality - Thank you Tom. As an ignorant neophyte, I appreciate this simple Dr John D. Mar 10, 2010 10:23 AM
Re: [philosophy-185] The appearance of reality - Just my way of staying open-minded. The history of cognitive "philoscience" is a history of metaphors of the month. I know that the salience of the computer program metaphor in contemporary culture is making it hard for me to think of alternatives. Do Fred H. Mar 10, 2010 10:13 AM
Re: [philosophy-185] The Chinese Room Argument - Ken- "representation" is strictl John G. Mar 10, 2010 6:40 AM
Re: [philosophy-185] The appearance of reality - Hi Fred, All right! I think this sounds like good news. But why does it seem like there is quite a bit of reservation in the way you are saying this? I'd desperately like to better understand whatever this is. It sounds like you've seriousl Brent A. Mar 9, 2010 10:44 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] The appearance of reality - > V. S. Ramachandran, in his 3 laws of qualia paper, asserts that we must > be able to do the same thing, doing whatever the corpus callosum does, > with a bundle of neurons, between two different brains, to effectively > 'eff' the ineffable (as i Fred H. Mar 9, 2010 6:25 PM
RE: [philosophy-185] The appearance of reality - Tom -- First of all, the subject that I thought we were talking about has nothing whatever to do with neural correlates. They are totally irrelevant. I am and have been talking only about qualia, thoughts and feelings. The question is whether the Fred H. Mar 9, 2010 11:42 AM
Re: [philosophy-185] The appearance of reality - Hi Tom, I think you have a great understanding of all this stuff. It's fun to read you, and I think our working hypothesis are very close. One question about your assertion that: "Consciousness *doesn't exist* intersubjectively" though. W Brent A. Mar 9, 2010 8:47 AM
Re: [philosophy-185] The appearance of reality - Tom My point (and I believe Fred's point too) is that once you claim to be able to create a conscious state Y with a particular representational state X then you give up the ability to claim a meaningful distinction between conscious state Y and state Y' Sean L. Mar 9, 2010 4:46 AM
RE: [philosophy-185] The appearance of reality - Fred, The distinction I'm trying to draw is between having an experience, a private affair, and the neural correlates of that experience, which are publicly observable. Looking at my brain from the outside as I have an experience, you don't see the user 1. Mar 8, 2010 9:01 PM
RE: [philosophy-185] The appearance of reality - Sean captures my point precisely. (The only point on which we differ is that I think that sucking the hardness out of the hard problem is a feature, not a bug.) Your reply just seems to consist of asserting the contrary. But I have no idea what your co Fred H. Mar 8, 2010 12:45 PM
Re: [philosophy-185] A proof of immortality - Preview not available Livia Mar 8, 2010 8:13 AM
Re: [philosophy-185] The appearance of reality - Hi Sean Sean Lee wrote: > On the one hand, I think Fred is quite right in pointing out that *if* one claims that a particular conscious experience is generated by a particular representational state, *then* a complete instantiation of that state nec Brent A. Mar 7, 2010 11:04 PM
RE: [philosophy-185] The appearance of reality - Hi Sean, Yes, you'd have the same experience in terms of its qualities and content, analogous to you wearing the same brand and pattern of tie I'm wearing when we meet on the street. But I don't see this as a weakness of representationalism, only a user 1. Mar 7, 2010 10:33 PM
RE: [philosophy-185] The appearance of reality - > The disagreement on this point is actually quite illuminating. You seem to be saying that if X were true, then the hard problem would be "just a simple subdiscipline of neuroscience". I anticipated an argument setting forth the grounds as to why th Fred H. Mar 7, 2010 10:03 PM

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