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Here, Now and Beyond: Monday Discussion Group

  • Nov 12, 2012 · 7:00 PM
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We will discuss "Einstein’s Mentos + Diet Coke Experiment", available here: http://neuroself.com/2012/10/30/einsteins-mentos-diet-coke-experiment/. An easy explanation of relativity, and its metaphysical implication: "special relativity disproved – in 1905 – the objectivity versus subjectivity distinction. Neither view can be true; the dichotomy is false."

This group typically reads a short article ahead of time and discusses it at the meeting. We approach philosophy as free human beings engaged in the world. The discussion format is free-form, and it is always quite lively.

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  • Larry Y.

    My favorite article on "relativity" ...

    http://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm

    Might make a good topic for a future Monday night.

    November 13, 2012

    • Bill M.

      Nice. But it ends abruptly and seems to be incomplete. I found a longer version here: http://hermiene.net/e...­.

      November 13, 2012

    • Larry Y.

      Perhaps a complimentary short piece from a more "English Lit major's" perspective would make a good pair for debate at some future Monday night?

      November 15, 2012

  • Larry Y.

    "the electromagnetic field ... thinks and has will ... Of course everything is conscious"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

    November 6, 2012

    • Bill M.

      I totally agree that the term "consciousness"­ has many meanings and unfortunately is quite subject to equivocation.

      November 6, 2012

  • Bill M.

    Thanks, Larry. I hope you can attend the Monday meeting to discuss all this.

    November 6, 2012

  • Larry Y.

    Relativity isn't subjectivity.

    Here's an everyday example: which way is up depends on position. Up points different ways in Austin and Auckland. Up is defined *relative to* local gravity, but that does not make up and down subjective. The observer is irrelevant - all you need to specify is latitude and longitude, and then there's an objectively correct answer, whether or not the measurement is actually ever done.

    Special relativity teaches us some very surprising things about space, time, and motion (I should know, I've tutored it). However, while measurements vary in weird, counter-intuitive ways from one frame of reference to another, that does not make them subjective. They are objectively right or wrong once the frame is specified. The observer is irrelevant - all you need to specify is one velocity vector, and then there's an objectively correct answer, whether or not the measurement is actually ever done.

    November 6, 2012

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