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Re: [rlccef] Ryan Fact Check

From: Curtis S.
Sent on: Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:27 PM
How is this for simplistic logic?  It seems to me that these arguments to not support Romney/Ryan is kinda like
a guy that has a chance to marry Miss America but passes because she can't cook Italian and isn't blonde, both
absolute criteria for a wife by this guy.  I'm just saying, there is never going to be anyone that is perfect.  And if you think that means you have to settle, well, don't marry Miss America and stay home on Sat nites, alone, but knowing you stayed true to your principles.  Just sayin' it all sounds rather ridiculous to me.  Staying true to ones principles is noble enough but sometimes it isn't very bright.  -Curt Smith

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Frank Zilaitis <[address removed]> wrote:
Ed,

I am having a bit of trouble understanding your logic.

To me it matters who is in the Oval Office at all times because of the checks and balances contained in the U.S. Constitution.  At this moment, we have an unprincipled Congress if we look at the "Republican-"controlled U.S. House and see that John Boehner and Paul Ryan as part of a majority of other "Republicans" voted to raise the debt ceiling last summer instead of voting not to do so and literally shutting down the federal government until Congress and the President came to their fiscal senses.  A real Republican President would have vetoed the bill that raised the debt ceiling.  So it actually does matter who is in the Oval Office under present circumstances that will most likely not be changing in 2013, to wit: we will still have an unprincipled U.S. House (because they will vote the Ryan Plan and have to raise the debt ceiling numerous times until 2030) and an unprincipled U.S. Senate (because they won't vote because of the cloture rule).

The situation described above is precisely the reason I am still counting on the RLC-CEF and the Liberty Catalyst Fund to adhere to their "principle over party" position and advocate for the BEST candidate for President to stop the congressional madness that won't be stopping anytime soon.  At this very moment, the most principled candidate for president who is on the ballot in all fifty states is former Republican Governor of New Mexico, Gary Johnson.  I am beyond excited to see whether the RLC-CEF and the Liberty Catalyst Fund will stand firm on principle and hit the ground and the airwaves in support of his campaign.  Because no oath is required to be a member of the RLC-CEF, it is absolutely OK for members of the RLC-CEF to fully exercise their First Amendment rights, unless they are also members of the BREC who are forbidden to do so during this period.  (Violation of the RPoF Loyalty Oath)

If the RLC-CEF and the Liberty Catalyst Fund operate on principle and defeat the "Republican" candidates Romney/Ryan, that is a big win for grass roots efforts for they will have stated to the Republican Party that, if you run an unprincipled candidate pair for the executive office, we will defeat you.  In my mind, the more times the Republicans in Name Only lose, the faster we will be on our way to recovery.

In closing Ed, I offer this: The right wing and the left wing of the same airplane auguring into the ground are both going to augur into the ground.  We need a pilot who is going to pull the plane (with both wings kicking and screaming :) out of the pending disaster.

From my conscience to yours,

Frank

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Ed Priselac <[address removed]> wrote:
Parsing words and sentences to divide us so Obama can be reelected will not work with this group.  The train has already left the station...and you guys have been left behind.
 
The President, under our proper construct is possibly the least important person in the general government. He/she was to administer the laws promulgated under the 18 enumerated powers. The "Imperial Presidency" that we have allowed is the problem and the only way to effect real change is at the House and Senate level. If we don't put people there that will adhere to their oath of office - it really doesn't matter who is in the Oval Office.
Last night I tried not to laugh too hard hearing what I believed to be some pretty tall tales told by Congressman Ryan. The scary part is the mob reaction applause that makes the tales sound credible. I was sorry that I hadn't taken notes and wrote my own rebuttal to Congressman Ryan. As the Internet would have it, someone else chose to write the rebuttal for which I am grateful.
 
Fitting that Frank used USA Today, another left-wing Obama rag, to support his pro-Obama agenda.
Ed
 
From: Sean Freeman
Sent: Thursday, August 30,[masked]:47 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [rlccef] Ryan Fact Check
 
Robert:

The President, under our proper construct is possibly the least important person in the general government. He/she was to administer the laws promulgated under the 18 enumerated powers. The "Imperial Presidency" that we have allowed is the problem and the only way to effect real change is at the House and Senate level. If we don't put people there that will adhere to their oath of office - it really doesn't matter who is in the Oval Office.

Along those same lines, putting people in state and local government that will be true to the constitutions (state and general) is the real key and we haven't been doing a good job for either of these critical functions.

It's not how "presidential" they look, nor "how well they debate" - it's how they've voted that is all that counts.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Robert D. White <[address removed]> wrote:
Thanks Len,
Frankly this infighting against our established candidates is becoming really tiring. Where is the outrage against the real culprits. If we want to do something where is the patriotic call to build a counter to the two established parties, perhaps a unified Tea Party movement or something supported by them but after November. If we put the Obama administration back in it is immaterial this is probably the last real election in America. So we need to work together now to make sure we have another shot at a constitutional candidate the next time


Robert D White
 

Subject: Re: [rlccef] Ryan Fact Check
From: [address removed]
To: [address removed]
Date: Thu, 30 Aug[masked]:48:51 -0400


Frank,
I find your use of "liberal fact checkers" philosphically inconsistent. I
guess when you are pushing a radical ideology, any rationale will do.
Let me address "your" unbiased "fact checkers.
 
1) Debt Commission. It is true that Representative Ryan voted against
the Debt Commission final report. However, he constructed and submitted
a Debt Commission final report of his own. Somehow, I missed the Obama's
final report or the legislative proposal derived from it.
 
2) Your fact checkers blamed the Congress for the impasse that caused the
credit downgrade. Are you seriously expecting us to believe this? The President
whose budgets never garnered a single vote from his own pary had nothing to
do with our credit downgrade? Please!
 
3) As far as Medicare is concerned the Affordable Care Act says on page 1324
that $716 billion dollrs will be taken from Medicare to fund Obamacare. These cuts
may be to hospitals and doctors, but guess what? These cuts will be recouped from seniors through other means, or the doctors and hospitals will simply refuse Medicare
patients.
My point is simple: Politifact is not a honest broker, they are a liberal mouthpiece.
Using them as a source is an insult. Why do you not just quote the New York Times?
 
Len J. Lemmer
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Frank Zilaitis <[address removed]> wrote:
Last night I tried not to laugh too hard hearing what I believed to be some pretty tall tales told by Congressman Ryan.  The scary part is the mob reaction applause that makes the tales sound credible.  I was sorry that I hadn't taken notes and wrote my own rebuttal to Congressman Ryan.  As the Internet would have it, someone else chose to write the rebuttal for which I am grateful.
 
 
At this point, I am really ashamed of what has happened and what is happening at the convention this week.
 
From my conscience to yours, 
 
Frank Zilaitis





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