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FW: My Blog Post Exchanges with Joe Pishgar

From: Bob W.
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Great job Pat!


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Subject: My Blog Post Exchanges with Joe Pishgar




Last Thursday Matt Reed wrote an article about the District 3 debate between Commissioner Infantini and Candidate Joe Pishgar.  In the article, Matt Reed referenced that Joe Pishgar "worked as a director of online communities for companies including Sony, Microsoft and the Walt Disney Co."   Wow....this is impressive!  My husband and I have worked in the high tech industry and it really struck us as amazing that he, who is without a college education,  was able to secure three Directorships and by the age of 30 to boot!  Next, we wondered just what exactly is a "Director of Online Communities".   And finally if you were able to secure one of these three-figure paying jobs, why would you leave?  So I began the following blog posts on the Fl. Today blog site:

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Pat Pasley · Top Commenter · Melbourne Beach, Florida
Director of online communities for companies including Sony, Microsoft and the Walt Disney Co sounds very impressive. I would like Joe to explain just what were his responsibilities for these jobs. How many people did he manage? Did he ever have to submit a budget as director for them? Did he ever receive a paycheck directly from any of these companies? Was he ever considered an full or part-time employee of any of these companies? Isn't the truth that this is just a self-appointed title and position that provides free beta testing for these companies.



Joe Pishgar · Top Commenter · Online Community Manager at Bestofmedia Group WHERE WERE YOU THE NIGHT OF AUGUST 12TH AT 9:14 PM? Seriously Pat, tone it down a few notches. I know the rapid-fire Joe McCarthy style of loaded questioning is par for the course with the Concerned Citizens to Re-Elect Infantini, but it's very 1950's, friend. Here's my responses in order: Growing communities and ensuring their security and safety. 7 at the lowest, 34 at the highest and most recent. Yes. Yes. Full-time, for all. And no, to the last thing there. Self-appointed would be rather presumptuous, and wouldn't really pay the bills. I'm happy to explain, in-depth, what I do and have before countless times, but I know the intent of the questions isn't to actually discern fact, but rather lead the reader to form an opinion independent of the answer.

Wouldn't it be more fun to talk about Infantini's recommendation to go with used defibrillators? Did she dock her own pay for walking out of that county commission meeting? What does the Concerned Citizens group think about her efforts to privatize the library system? Where can I find a record of an Infantini vote that succeeded in reducing taxes? Thanks for your help with these.



Pat Pasley · Top Commenter · Melbourne Beach, Florida
Ouch, sounds like I hit a sore spot. All I'm doing is asking for is your qualifications and about your level of experience. After all, being a candidate is like applying for a job. I feel I have the right to ask for your resume. So lets just start with, "growing communities and ensuring their security and safety". What kind of communities and just what exactly did you do to ensure their security and safety? The 7-34 people that you managed, what was their function or titles under you as their director? Where they employed by, you or the company? Regarding the budget, how large of a budget did you manage and who in the company was it submitted to?

Your questions about Commissioner Infantini are being used to deflect my questions. Can we please stay on topic.


Joe Pishgar · Top Commenter · Online Community Manager at Bestofmedia Group
Not a sore spot, I've just watched enough county commission meetings to know how this goes. You ask a series of rapid-fire loaded questions, you receive a factual answer, you return with another dozen loaded questions based on the information provided in the answer. You attempt to discredit or outright defame the person answering the question, cite alternative interpretations from your own "research" and announce that the initial response was a deception. Anyone, and I do mean anyone, who has observed the commission meetings over the last four years and watched the process where the Concerned Citizens (to Re-Elect Infantini) has operated with knows that this is the typical play by play. I'd cite examples, but literally your last post suits perfectly.

I know Trudie doesn't typically engage (with county staff, citizens, business owners, etc), but would it be alright if you, or another surrogate for Infantini or even herself, answered just that one (and I promise only one) lonely question about whether or not she's going to give the county back the money from when she walked off on the job during the commission meeting? There are sheriff deputies and fire rescue guys who've asked me what would happen to them if, like Trudie, they walked off the job while on a shift if someone called them a name.


Pat Pasley · Top Commenter · Melbourne Beach, Florida
Joe, this is a job interview so let's quit the games. You want my vote and the votes of others so I am asking you what specifically did you for Sony, Microsoft and Walt Disney as a 'Director of Online
Communities' . What were your specific daily duties to support the statement 'growing communities and ensuring their security and safety' encompass? If you want this job, quit pointing at other applicants and answer these questions. One other thing, please tell me the specific dates you worked for each of these companies.



Joe Pishgar · Top Commenter · Online Community Manager at Bestofmedia Group
I would, really I would if you were someone to whom answers, facts and evidence were meaningful. I'm excited to talk about my experience and what I've done in the field of emerging technologies. But with folks from your group, no answer is ever good enough, for the reasons I've stated above. I'd answer one of your follow-up questions (note already that I've answered six in this thread alone) but it would be replaced by 10 more, then 20 more. It isn't good enough, because you aren't after the truth so much as you are out to make a point for your candidate - who, I note, you are entirely unwilling to talk about.

If it is a job interview, shouldn't at some point a performance review be done for the person currently holding the position? Attendance, ability to work with others, effectiveness I think would all be applicable.



Pat Pasley · Top Commenter · Melbourne Beach, Florida
If the truth is that you were a 'Director' for these companies or any legitimate company, you would be proud of your accomplishments and would be willing to share them. As a voter interviewing you for this job, all that I am asking for is your resume. You have refused to produce one which leaves me with many doubts about you and many more questions. You claim that in a short span of time you held Directorships in three major companies... all with out a college degree and that you were actually on the pay role. A 'Director' for a major company usually has a six figure salary and it is a very sought after position. So I question why would you have ever left any of these jobs. Did you leave these positions voluntarily? Were you fired? What happened Joe? Why won't you answer my questions about your duties and those of the so-called employees you managed? Isn't it true you are just a beta tester and blogger? If I'm wrong, then tell me and other voters what you specifically did for these companies. Joe, if you were applying for a job in my company, you wouldn't get a foot in the door without a resume. You have attacked me for asking some very basic questions that all voters should be asking. If you are reluctant to answer questions during a campaign, how receptive will you be to answering questions if you were to be a Commissioner. So much for transparency and accountability. In my opinion your qualifications are a figment of your over active imagination. I can only hope that those who have endorsed you, see through your smoke screen. I guess you prove the point that on the internet you can be what ever you imagine yourself to be.    Sorry Joe, this interview is over and in my book, you don't get the job.


Joe Pishgar · Top Commenter · Online Community Manager at Bestofmedia Group  I'm going to frame this exchange and present it to anyone who has ever bumped into your raucous little collective of angsty, fact-free ideologues as a shining example of the standard operating procedure you employ. 1. Ask a series of inane, leading questions targeting credibility. 2. Accept no response as factual and reject all calls to reality while following-up with a multitude of additional leading, loaded questions. 3. Propose deception as an assumed defense, based on the target's unwillingness to cooperate with the inquisition. 4. Claim victory and move on to the next intellectually dishonest pursuit in the name of scoring political points.

You could write a book to compete with Alinsky's, Pat. "Rules for People who Cite Rules for Radicals". The playbook is clear, and does not work with me. Again, I've watched you and your group at way, way too many meetings to know how you operate. If this were an honest exchange, I'd be delighted to tell you about the nuances of the emerging field of community management, the details and particulars of my professional career building communities, specifics about the technologies employed in my vocation and duties involved. But you aren't interested, you aren't sincere, any response simply generates another 80 questions.

I know this, because I've seen responses to your group at commission meetings where you get up and ask "Why do 4 commissioners think the sky is blue?" and they spend 75% of the meeting trying to explain why, despite your insistence that it isn't, that the sky is in fact blue. Citing spectrum of light and absorption of colors, studies and data is met with questions about the validity and date of that data, the method of its collection, the people doing the analysis. The following meeting, the issue comes up again, and you present your own "expert" on why the sky is in fact, in your opinion, green plaid. "According to the expert's we've met with" - you state - "the sky is and always has been green plaid."

The sky is blue, Pat. And there's no spin that you can put on it that makes it not so.


Pat's final note (not posted on-line).  I hope he does present this to other people so they can see his stupid & evasive answers.  I am especially proud to be a member of the fact-based Brevard Co. Citizens Coalition and I am glad to see we get under his skin. 





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