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Re: [ronpaul-184] I think Fred will agree

From: Tim C.
Sent on: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:05 PM
 
Dear Tomo and Fred:
 
To understand how 9/11 was an inside job you shoud watch the Film Loose Change and Fabled Enemies.
 
Below are a list of brief films submitted to Charlie Sheen's 20 Minutes with the President video contest held by Alex Jones.
 
If you watch them you will see what a sham the official cover up story really is.
 
6 of the 10 9/11 Commissioners are calling for a new investigation.
 
The winning video is shown first.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
<embed src="http://blip.tv/play/AYGviSgC" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="480" height="300" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed>
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

--- On Tue, 7/13/10, Tomo <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Tomo <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ronpaul-184] I think Fred will agree
To: [address removed]
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 3:45 PM

These pretty much address every single point you've brought up. In case you didn't Fred, I was a "Truther" myself until continued research invalidated many of the ideas I used to hold.



Now before you start attacking the credibility of these sources, you might want to just address the claims they make directly.

These guys give you all the details, the FULL clips (not the abridged ones you've been looking at), and they talk to the actual people being quoted (or rather misquoted) and get their actual opinion in context put down.

Once again Fred, perfectly reasonable explanations given by perfectly credible experts are just a few clicks away. Of course, if you can directly invalidate the claims made by these folks I'll happily issue a public apology for my coloration of your thesis as the "Supervillain theory". 

C'mon Fred, if you've done so much research, these 2 measly sites shouldn't be a match for the great Fred Badilli... or are you going to once again avoid the direct criticism of your claims?

Let the waffling begin...

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Fred Badalli <[address removed]> wrote:
Duh, as stated: that's how I see it, kid. These are the views I've arrived at since 2002 when I began my own study and investigation of it. You will have draw your own sanitized conclusions, with "Supervillians" being a term/concept you'd like to falsely imply or attribute to me. And leave it to you to conflate health care with 9/11 which was the focus of my 9/11 views.
  Apparently, you ain't seen and heard the 9/11 film clips of dust and soot covered NY City firemen on the phone across from the towers shaking and trembling as you can hear loud explosions going off from the bottoms of the towers?...or other NY City firemen describing how "it looked and sounded like detonators going off as floor to floor went boom, boom, boom"?
 Obviously, you ain't aware of thousands of foreign and domestic architects and engineers who want an independent investigation? I think they're at Architects and Engineers.org(?)
But wait, Horrors, that could also imply that there are skeptic scientists about climate change too?  
  
In the meantime, why doesn't Tomo enlist immediately and go to the front lines in Afghanistan to defend us from those evil Muslims who pulled off 9/11 from a cave with a lap top? And if you make it back alive, perhaps then you'll be man enough to criticize Israel, its Mossad, the Israeli Lobby and the(disgusting) "special relationship" between Israel and the
U.S. that(pukingly!) Obama reaffirmed last week?
 
     FB




Subject: Re: [ronpaul-184] I think Fred will agree
From: [address removed] Date: Mon, 12 Jul[masked]:14:09 -0400


It just seems oddly appropriate for this thread:


Here's the questions I have for you Fred, and these are genuine so for once if you could just answer the damn thing without the editorials it would be appreciated.

For starters, I don't agree with the "controlled demolition" theory on the World Trade Centers.... and neither do most structural engineers. However, that doesn't rule out a "False Flag" organized by Cheney or even the Mossad.

The question I have is what evidence directly ties either Cheney or Israel to the attacks of 9/11, evidence which is stronger than what has been presented on the side that it was an attack by Al Qaeda?

Is there a way to determine "dual citizenship" on public figures?

What direct evidence do you have of a covert war (led by Israel/Zionists)? Is it the same stuff that's all over the internet? From what I have seen, most of that evidence is weak, circumstantial, and out of context.

Unfortunately, the video seems to have been taken down, so I cannot comment on it.

Most importantly, the question is what evidence prevents all of this being explained by individuals who are acting alone (rather than in concert) towards individual goals? What evidence do you have that the actions these people are taking are not to accomplish their own goals of greed and power, but rather to accomplish their collective goals to "control the world"?

This idea that these "Supervillains" are out for world domination is very appealing. It gives us an "enemy" which we are powerless to stop. This removes the threat of responsibility from us - after all, how can we possibly hope to defeat an enemy that is so powerful? 

They are also a great scapegoat for our problems - our economy failed because THEY WANTED IT TO! THEY want Universal Healthcare which is why it passed! In fact, just about any idea which we think is good but isn't popular is thanks to their Machiavellian tactics.

What's the alternative? That we aren't good at presenting our ideas so that they become popular. Or that our ideas our just unrealistic and hard to put into action.

Personally, I think the ideas that are winning out are the ones that are the easiest for people to understand. Universal Healthcare, socialist healthcare, no matter what name you give it, people understand it to mean healthcare for lots and lots of people, probably mostly free. Is this true? Of course not, but it takes time to truly understand the ins and outs of healthcare.

Certainly sounds like a good idea on the surface though. Makes you look good as a politician for supporting it. So it gets pushed through. Does this require a plan to rule the world? No. It just means that we failed to get across our message that they were simplifying a VERY complicated problem into a solution which is neither effective nor realistic.

So again, I want to know what makes this version of things less reasonable than the "Globalist-Zionist World Domination" theory? What evidence do you have to support it that refutes the alternative explanation that I have put forth?
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Fred Badalli <[address removed]> wrote:

Also, as I understand it, the inner Bush crowd was taking ciprio(sp?) an Anthrax antidote
BEFORE 9/11.

 As to 9/11, here's how I see this deeply involved False Flag op..........


 After his glorious election, at the first Bush cabinet meeting in January or February, 2001, war/agression/invasion, etc. with Iraq was openly discussed, much to the astonishment and chagrin of new Treasury Sec. O'neil who later resigned.

 On 9/11 Bush was out of the loop, but on that morning, Cheney, the real culprit conducted a NORAD stand down. Consequently, the air traffic controllers didn't know if it was a hijacking, military drills or bizzness as usual.(The same thing happened in London on 7/7/05: more military drills and low and behold: KaBoom!) Meanwhile, the Pentagon had almost 100 security cameras of which next to nothing has been released, as did the Murray Building in Oklahoma City have numerous cameras and nothing released. Hmmm...I wonder why?
  Thermite was used to help bring down the buildings and WTC #7 wasn't even mentioned in the 9/11 report! Nor were other important testimonies. No doubt, Israel's Mossad's fingerprints are all over 9/11. This paved the way for the gullible/compliant/enabling feds to embark on war in the Middle East much to expand Israeli territory and as in 1991, to crush Iraq's largest Middle Eastern Arab army, all of course with the neocon's approval. I would also venture to say that most of the pro war U.S. neocons architects like Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and many others, of which most now want war with Iran, have dual U.S./Israeli passports, which ain't illegal, but what a chain of deception and war, which in fact is Israel's Mossad's Mantra: "By deception we make war".
 
  Yet, Saddam fought against Islamic Fundamentalism for over thirty years. Iraq was a secular Muslim country with the largest college educated Arabic population.
Women did not have to dress a certain way. Alcohol was available and tolerated.
 Bush's and the neocon's war destroyed Iraq's small Christian and Jewish communities, caused millions of refugees in addition to all the needless death, maiming, suffering, property damage and damage to the infrastructure. In the 1991 Desert Storm war with Iraq, the fed's military deliberatly destroyed Iraqi water treatment and power plants.
  It must also be noted that in the mid 1980's during the Iran Contra hearings, Saddam was furious after finding out that his Washington allies were also secretly supplying Iran with weapons. And who doesn't love that meet & greet footage of Saddam with Rumsfeld in Baghdad in December 1983?!
   Did I mention that in addition to the fact that their Mossad are great at impersonating Arabs and/or Palestinians, that our wonderful ally Israel has even sold U.S. military technology to the Chinese? Shalom baby!

  This whole war charade reminds me of "1984" where the national government is endlessly waging war overseas while demanding, obedience, control and conformity at home("Patriot"
Act, NSA spying and a massively expanded national security state, dept. of homeland "Security") all for the comfort and security of the American Sheeple.

   "Our" irreparable federal government continues to deliberately destroy us at home and wreak havoc abroad. I'll never again say the Pledge of Allegiance because it was written by Christian Minister and socialist, Francis Bellamy; because I do not believe we have Liberty & Justice for all and I most certainly believe in Secession. Please look up the Bellamy Salute on wikipedia where you will see photos of 1930's and 1940's American school children giving the stiff arm Bellamy salute towards the flag which was later changed to hand over heart because it too closely resembled Hitler's and Mussolini's stiff arm salute. I kid you not!


             Secession is good. Secession is right. Secession works.
         

           FB

 





> From: [address removed] > Subject: Re: [ronpaul-184] I think Fred will agree
> Date: Sun, 11 Jul[masked]:17:19 -0400

>
> For me, it was how soon it was enacted, just one month after 9-11.
> That much verbiage so swiftly enacted.
>
> At that point I still thought "Islamic terrorists" were the only ones
> behind it.
>
> Also , demolition crews can't set up explosives in 5 minutes on a
> building that size.
>
> Kevin
>
> On Jul 11, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Richard <[address removed]> wrote:
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> > I can't believe I'm going to say this. Mary is right.
> >
> > OMg that was hard to get out.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 4:06 AM, MARY KING <[address removed]> wrote:
> >> I agree, lalso like Ron Paul said The Patroit Act was thought of
> >> and tried
> >> to get aproval, begore 9/11 It all sounds famliar. Not control of
> >> people in
> >> this country, but possibly world wide. Step by Step?.
> >>
> >>> Subject: [ronpaul-184] I think Fred will agree
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