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RE: [silvafug-events] Re: [silvafug] Adobe's announcement on thefuture of Flex

From: Doug M.
Sent on: Monday, November 14, 2011 2:56 PM
Flex has been moved to open source (or will be in 2 weeks, right after the official 4.6 release).  Adobe will continue to support it and contribute to the community, and the community and the marketplace will determine its future.  This is probably good for Flex developers, as it will improve performance, functionality, and interoperability, while preserving the ability to use Flex with other Adobe tools.

Flash mobile has been abandoned., mostly so that most of those engineers can be added to the html5 efforts.  Adobe is simply riding the horse in the direction it is going.  Continuing with mobile flash would mean that they are less competitive in the html5 space, and I think they were looking at how to keep the whole product line at the leading edge around the future of mobile content.

The discussion about Flex as the interim leader in mobile apps is simply an observation on the relative maturity of flex and html5.  HTML5 is coming, and even if it's not the ideal solution, that's where the industry is going, and while it falls short of Flex on multiple fronts today, at least in the mobile space it is most likely going to take over, over the course of the next 5 years.

Flex will have a leg up on HTML5 for desktop apps for a while longer, because of better support for native OS capabilities, so as a multiplatform dev tool it will continue to be viable even after it falls behind on the mobile-only front.

The community will certainly have the opportunity to keep Flex out in front, by exploiting its ability to integrate with other open-source components and frameworks.  Will that happen?  That's a matter for pundit speculation, and only time will tell.  I think the important message for current flex developers is that they must become more aware of html5 as an emerging alternative, but there's minimal immediate impact on their marketability.

The stunning news was canceling mobile flash, which has gotten confused with the flex open-source announcement (as reflected in this thread).

Hope this clarifies for some.


Doug May
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On Mon 11/11/14 14:27 , Christian Baptiste <[address removed]> wrote:

> Unless I am missing something, this latest announcement is not just Flex on
> mobile devices - http://blogs.adob...­ [1]/ 
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> Subject: Re: [silvafug-events] Re: [silvafug] Adobe's announcement on
> the future of Flex
> From: Y Chang 
> Date: Mon, November 14,[masked]:42 pm
> To: [address removed]
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> So, enough speculation and FUD here, I feel that it's high time that we
> hold a meetup at Adobe HQ to have everyone get their questions answered. 
> P.S. Personally, I think this is just marketing trying to catch onto the
> last of the whole html5 vs Flash debacle from last year. Note - it's just
> mobile flash they are axing for Air, and not desktop
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 14, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Christian Baptiste  wrote:
> 
> What the hell Adobe?
> Do you not know your own technology? Or maybe I am so misinformed with
> html 5? 
> I am really curious, can HTML5:
> 
> * Do percentage based layouts? Right now our applications adjust in size
> for every screen resolution, and screen size available. Right now our
> customers can pick and choose how much screen real-estate they want to give
> to each panel (similar to how the Adobe creative apps handle their panels).
> 
> * Does HTML 5 have equivalent form objects, and a framework to extend on
> those form objects?
> * Does HTML 5 have a data grid and an advanced data grid (that again is
> extendable) with item renders for in cell editing? Maybe there is, Google
> docs has spreadsheets????? 
> * Does HTML 5 have an awesome charting framework for doing data
> visualization?
> 
> Last I heard (From the teams working heavily on HTML 5) the browsers still
> have not in agreed on a single code base. Meaning unlike Flex/Flash,
> developers still need to code separately for each browser.  
> .....
> I have been a huge fan of Adobe/Macromedia products and technologies for
> many years. That being said I have also become more of a critic of them as
> well. The last couple of releases have been (IMO) weak. It seems like they
> have been releasing the same apps with no significant upgrades, and
> completely ignoring the request of their users all the while charging the
> same exact prices. Plus this is not the first time that they have given up
> on technologies that they have convinced their customers to believe in.   
> Sad!
> ~ C
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> Subject: Re: [silvafug-events] Re: [silvafug] Adobe's announcement on
> the future of Flex
> From: Bill Langley 
> Date: Mon, November 14,[masked]:11 am
> To:  [address removed]
> 
> Bingo, Jon. 
> In this case, perception is definitely reality. This is a classic Beta vs.
> VHS story. The lesser medium is going to win?I bought a beta machine, go
> figure :-( No new developer in their right mind is going to learn Flash
> now. And without developers, the language will die. I think the only hope
> here is with AIR. If AIR can establish itself as the better cross-platform
> development tool; if it can deliver the performance and power savings
> promised us; if it can out do HTML and at least compete with native
> languages, it has a chance. People don't care much about UX in a browser
> anymore, but in an app it still matters. Since an app is stand-alone, no
> one will much care what it's developed in. And since app developers will
> probably have to know more than one language anyway, why not add AS to mix.
> 
> WL
> 
> On Nov 12, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Jon A Savell wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Yvon Sauvageau  wrote:
> Someone needs to read again. It's possible to remain 3+ years ahead
> forever. 
> And it's possible that greatness will continue to emerge in spite of a
> decline, but that's not very likely.
> First, there is WAAAY more than the appearance of a decline here. 
> Second, no new developers are going to jump onto a platform which appears
> to be in decline. Even if we respect the developers who are currently
> making great apps with Flex, we NEED new developers jumping on board in
> order to gain the currency of "being current" (hipness, if you will). 
> Items (1) and (2) reinforce each other in very nasty ways. The result is
> that Flex is perceived to be dead. In other words, perception is reality.
> I understand that you don't want people to speak poorly of Flex (especially
> in the newsgroup for Flex); you view this as a surrender to the FUD that
> exists out there. I apologize for upsetting your sensibilities. 
> Please understand that I want Adobe to stop letting its competitors define
> its roadmap. I want Adobe to show some courage. This is the ONLY way this
> gets better. 
> Sincerely, Jon Savell
> 
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