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Må JavaScript være så forbanna vanskelig å teste? med Magnar Sveen + EXTRA

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Det er den elendige HTMLen. JavaScripten har en solid avhengighet inn DOM-strukturen, og dermed blir jeg sittende igjen med uhåndterlige, lettbrekte blackbox-tester som ingen vil ta i.

Dette problemet har jeg slåss med i årevis. Jeg tror ikke vi vil finne noen endelig løsning, men jeg har funnet noen praktiske tilnærminger som reduserer smerten. Dette blir en liten runde gjennom eksempler jeg syns har fungert godt, og noen veier videre.

Jeg heter Magnar og er en glad framsieutvikler. Jeg er deleier i Kodemaker, jobber til daglig hos FINN, og om kvelden utvikler jeg blant annet eventyrspillet Adventur Delux, pomodoro-verktøyet og en screencast om at emacs rocker. Jeg har også en blogg med screencasts om testdrevet javascript, zombier og mafia på

UPDATE: After Magnar's talk, Tim Berglund has offered to give us an alpha release of his new presentation:

First, Let's Kill the Product Owners

By now, we are all comfortable with the orthodoxy: the product owner discerns the needs of the customer and feeds them to developers in the form a prioritized backlog. Developers pull work from that backlog, always confident that they're working on the highest-priority feature at the moment, and never having to worry about how those priorities are allocated. This system is simple, efficient, and has helped many teams function better than they used to. It's also time for the system to die.

A few revolutionary companies are experimenting with the idea that developers should be in charge not only of when they build new features, but _what_ features to build. Rather than mere code technicians following the will of a product and marketplace expert, developers themselves become experts in their product domain, building the tools users need—by conceiving of those tools themselves. Dispensing with the product owner creates an entirely new organizational tenor: one in which everyone is encouraged to master the business's domain, to organize their work in autonomous ways, and to take ownership of the purpose for which the organization exists.

Tim is a GitHubber whose mission is to make it easy for everybody in the world to use Git. He is a speaker internationally and on the No Fluff Just Stuff tour in the United States, and loves to speak on Git and other topics. He is co-president of the Denver Open Source User Group, co-presenter of the best-selling O'Reilly Git Master Class, co-author of Building and Testing with Gradle, a member of the O'Reilly Expert Network, and a member of the GigOM Pro Analyst Network. He occasionally blogs at ( He lives in Littleton, CO, USA with the wife of his youth and their three children.

Note: Both presentations will be in English.