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Re: [newurbanism-101] A short essay on The future culture of sustainability

From: user 6.
Sent on: Monday, February 9, 2009 6:05 PM
Travis,
 RE: means reference previous post, therefore you must read the previous post to undersatnd. I am discussing specifically this post ----->Downward Spiral's Silver Lining: End of Lonely Plastic Culture               
by Jan Lundberg       
07 February 2009
Culture Change Letter #234
The entire essay is a never to happen fantasy, it is based upon the dismantling of political and legal inventions that are post tribal era. Travis, You are more than welcome to put your resources into such nonsense, help yourself. However, Let me ask you this Travis, "what will you do with the people that won't be happy living in Jan Lundberg's wonderland and don't want to participate in it?" ---be wise question everything even if it comes in a sustainable organic package swaying to the rythms of a djembe"

 
From: Travis <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [newurbanism-101] A short essay on The future culture of sustainability
To: [address removed]
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 3:59 PM

....What fantasy are you speaking of?  That the world can change?  Because that
is a fantasy I can get behind.   "Fantasies" become reality because
people ignore naysayers and pursue something.  Downward Spiral's Silver Lining: End of Lonely Plastic Culture               


by Jan Lundberg       
07 February 2009
Culture Change Letter #234 Can you distill your previous email into one or two sentences? Because I don't understand a single word. Mike Walker wrote: > Anne, > ...observing history, current legal paradigms and contrasting it to a fantasy is constructive. Placing ones time, energy and resources into the framework of an unrealistic fantasy is harmful to oneself. There is a term for this, "duped". Once again look at history, many people put their life savings into preparation for the end of world at Y2K it never came, similar with many religious cults. Telling the truth is the most constructive thing that can be done, where did I lie? > People can get on a plane and fly to Pune India and live the life of organic food and djembe rythms in Osho's meditation center. The community of love and sustainability can be had on Free John's Island in Fiji. Additionally, there are numerous sustainable intentional communites throughout the world, so we know the dream can be built. But of course one must query, is everyone happy there? However, each of these isolated utopias is privately owned. Private ownership is post tribalism so there are some big conflicts in what the essayist is selling. One thing to consider is would everyone be happy living in this so called culture of sustainability, as described by the essayist? If not then what to do about it? Well, the latter question will lead you to some of the post tribal era political and legal inventions. The very things the essayist suggest we start to dismantle. Instead of dismantling, which could lead to Stalinistic... I suggest some form of improvement of post tribal political inventions, after all, these lamented inventions have predicated the creation of sustainable communities today! Of course one would observe the two cutting edges along the sword of the post tribal political inventions, as they have led to crisis in Darfur, Detroit, Haiti and so on, as well as Free John's Fiji Utopia. Personally, I will put my efforts into preparing for a serdom imposed by the agents of "hope" and "change". Be wise, don't be duped, question everything, even if it comes in an organic sustainable package swaying to the rythms of a djembe. in peace, m > > --- > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > -- > Please Note: If you hit "*REPLY*", your message will be sent to *everyone* on this mailing list ([address removed] <mailto:[address removed]>) > This message was sent by Mike Walker ([address removed]) from The San Diego Sustainable Development Meetup Group <http://newurbanism.meetup.com/101/>. > To learn more about Mike Walker, visit his/her member profile <http://newurbanism.meetup.com/101/members/6414078/> > To unsubscribe or to update your mailing list settings, click here <http://www.meetup.com/account/comm/> > > Meetup Support: [address removed] > 632 Broadway, New York, NY 10012 USA -- Please Note: If you hit "REPLY", your message will be sent to everyone on this mailing list ([address removed]) http://newurbanism.meetup.com/101/ This message was sent by Travis ([address removed]) from The San Diego Sustainable Development Meetup Group. To learn more about Travis, visit his/her member profile: http://newurbanism.meetup.com/101/members/4168224/ To unsubscribe or to update your mailing list settings, click here: http://www.meetup.com/account/comm/ Meetup Support: [address removed] 632 Broadway, New York, NY 10012 USA

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