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Afternoon Coffee

  • Nov 16, 2013 · 3:00 PM
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...Frapedaki??

Join us for an afternoon coffee and chat :)

Greek coffee and sweets will be available as well, for those of you who feel like it!

See you soon, Mia

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  • Mia

    Yeah, this conversation gone totally out of control!

    May I ask you all, that if you're going to get into such discussions please remember the rule set at a philosophical-type meetup that some of you might have attended: "You are against the ideas, not against the other person", so please don't go too far with the debates.

    ...Where were you guys when I needed help with those calculations at uni?? I'll recruit you next time I have to write an essay :P :P

    November 28, 2013

  • Mike V.

    George,

    First of all I am not the author but merely offered something for hilarity, interest and discussion -not to offend or seek attention. Much of which was said in jest. But as they say, many a true word is spoken in jest.

    November 20, 2013

    • George T

      That is fair and I may have come back too strong, but I took the discussion as genuine and I was curious to explore the idea to see if there is any merit.

      November 20, 2013

    • George T

      On a little more contemplation, I think I am overly strong. I guess typing away at home can make somebody get carried away, so I apologise.

      November 20, 2013

  • George T

    Its not about me being convinced, it is about making a simple structured argument. Flooding somebody with evidence is called a Gish gallop. It shows both weakness in an argument and disrespect in the audience. 1. The video offered some facts
    2. They made some calculations with those facts
    3. They made conclusions Step 2 was a failure. They got it badly wrong. I explained it clearly, with simple numbers. So step 3 cannot follow. If you were convinced by their step 3 regardless, then that discredits every other theory you would like me to consider and this would sadden me. In fact it would strengthen what you said earlier in jest I hope, that you appeal to "Wild Arse Guess Not Easily Refuted" as your primary source on these matters. Which means that all you want is ... attention.

    November 19, 2013

  • Mike V.

    George, I am not sure you will ever be convinced. The authors Butler and Knight (by no means the only ones) simply tried to point out (perhaps poorly) some peculiar mathematical relationships and odd construction which has led them to conclude that the Moon is an artificially created object, deliberately placed into the Earth/Sun system to sustain life. However in the interest of living up to the homeric tradition
    For yours and any others further reading pleasure, http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_6.htm

    http://www.phils.com.au/moon.htm

    http://www.halexandria.org/dward200.htm

    http://spacestationmoon.blogspot.com.au/2011/02/lunar-lights-on-hollow-moon.html

    http://www.disclose.tv/forum/hollow-moon-t8064.html

    http://www.exohuman.com/wordpress/2013/08/the-moon-an-unexplained-phenomenon/

    November 19, 2013

  • George T

    We can't jump to new questions, when the original one has not been resolved. I want to be convinced of the "hollow moon theory" before I consider a single other theory. Otherwise the meetup will become a conspiracies meetup and will push people away. Being hospitable is a Homeric tradition, so lets live up to that.

    November 19, 2013

  • Mike V.

    Fair enough. It’s been fun guys. ;-) A lively discussion on something more compelling than just talking about the weather. Having said that next time I'll table how the world’s weather is being manipulated and weaponised via a facility in Alaska.

    November 19, 2013

  • timios

    This discussion is getting out of control (because it is not the right place for it). It could make an interesting philosophical discussion/meetup; we do have some votes for philosophy/poetry/religion on our survey, but atm not enough to warrant a meetup. Who knows by the end of the survey...?

    November 19, 2013

  • Mike V.

    Agree the meetup conversations are more fun and better cakes too. However, If you listen very carefully the point they are making actually concurs with your observation. Namely that the moon is extremely large relative to the Earth, yet the Moon is very light in mass, in fact only 1/81st part the mass of the Earth, despite being just under 1/3rd the size.

    November 18, 2013

    • George T

      My whole point is very simple. The speaker in the video obviously knows geometry because he plays with definitions. He intentionally misrepresents the truth by relating size to radius and not volume. Upon that simple sleight of hand, he bases his "theory". The foundation of his idea is widely incorrect and you don't need wikipedia. The calculations can be verified by elementary geography that where trivial from at least the time of Archimedes and Eratosthenes who by the way calculated the circumference of the earth 1700 years ago to within a few %. (So much for the flat earth society)

      November 19, 2013

    • timios

      When comparing 3D objects such as spheres (or planets), it is most correct to discuss volume, so yes, the moon radius being 1/3 that of Earth's radius is not relevant. If the relatively large size of the Earth's moon mattered, it should be stated in a more relative & correct way...

      November 19, 2013

  • Mike V.

    Who said the moon and earth are of the same material. I believe I said and I am paraphrasing “ It’s made of cheese (Dodoni Feta perhaps) just look at the images at this link http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2010/12/nasa-photos-confirm-moon-is-artificial-317206.html. It looks like cheese.

    Among the other anomalies is the fact that the Moon is far older than previously imagined, perhaps even much older than the Earth and Sun. By examining tracks burned into Moon rocks by cosmic rays, scientists have dated them as billions of years old. Some have been dated back 4.5 billion years, far older than the Earth and nearly as old as the solar system.

    November 19, 2013

    • timios

      Oh, I thought it was Feggari Feta. The video says that it was made from Earth material, hence it would not be older than Earth. I am starting to see more holes in it, and no, it is not from the cheese...

      November 19, 2013

  • Mike V.

    You are right Timios the densities are different. The moon is light, because it is not made of the same material. The Moon has at least three distinct layers of rocks. And there is a definite disparity in the distribution of minerals. Lunar rocks were found to be bearing brass, mica in addition to the near-pure titanium. Uranium 236 and Neptunium 237 — elements not previously found in nature. Moon has a tough, hard outer shell and a light or nonexistent interior. The Moon’s shell contains dense minerals such as titanium. Look through the looking glass people. It is apparent that the moon is hollow like a soccer ball and more than likely an alien spaceship. Which is why we haven’t been back. Moon has a tough, hard outer shell (titanium) and a light or nonexistent interior. Look through the looking glass people. It is clear that the moon is hollow like a soccer ball and more than likely an alien spaceship. Which is why we haven’t been back and why couldn't sleep last night (full moon).

    November 19, 2013

  • Mike V.

    I think we are all in violent agreement. Yes Wikipedia is not to be trusted. That is why I refer to WAGNER as my primary source on these matters. W Wild
    A Arse
    G Guess
    N Not
    E Easily
    R Refuted

    November 19, 2013

    • George T

      I did not appeal wikipedia. My source was year 6 geometry.

      November 19, 2013

  • Joanne

    I'm not a mathematician & certainly not a scientist. However, one thing is certain: Wikipedia is not a trusted source as anyone can edit it. It is never used as a scholarly source & certainly not advised as one (which is within my realm).
    Interesting discussion.....

    1 · November 18, 2013

  • George T

    I think you misunderstood the calculations. You need 90 moons to make one earth. The Earth is not 3.66 times the moon. The guy gets that simple calculation disastrously wrong. I even gave the formula.

    If we assume that the moon radius is R=1 unit and the earth is 3.66 times the moon

    The volume of the moon is V = 4.2 units cubed

    The volume of the earth is V = 4/3 * Pi * 3.66^3 = 205 units cubed

    That is 49 times the earth. You also have to multiply the difference in density and you get about 90 times that of the moon if you want to work in mass. You really don't need any more data other than a calculator to see how that guy can't do primary school geometry.

    2 · November 18, 2013

  • Mike V.

    Well it turns out that three-and-two-thirds is just about right, and if you divide that circumference of 40,000 km (circumference of earth) by three-and-two-thirds, you get 10,900 km for the circumference of the Moon, or (dividing by pi) 3470 km in diameter. According to wikipedia the circumference of the moon is 10,921 km. We know they are always right ;-)“ the moon...having 27% the diameter (10,900/40,000km) and 60% the density of Earth, resulting in 1⁄81 its mass... from wikipedia However, the key point is that the moon is apparently in its wrong orbit for it’s size. Who put it there? and Why can't I sleep when there is a full moon? For the answer, I’ll tell you at the next meetup.

    November 18, 2013

  • Mike V.

    To those who doubt my extraordinary claim and wish to further expand their minds. Here are some links for you to peruse. I’ll try and find that evidence that the earth is also flat.

    http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/01jan/moon.html
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfihEEFSDug

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_28.h

    November 18, 2013

    • George T

      Interesting :-) I listened to a little, but the meetup conversation is more fun. The little that I heard shows dramatic inaccuracies and misinterpretations. At about 7:30 into the youtube video, he claims that it takes 3.66 moons to make an earth. That is terribly wrong. You need 80 moons by mass or 50 moons by volume. The guy seems to have used the ratio of the radius between that of the earth and the moon as a measure. Well a sphere with a radius 3.66 more than another is 49.02 larger by volume. This is elementary school geometry.

      So the gentleman couldn't possibly make such a blatant mistake, unless he intends to deceive. He bases his whole theory on a huge moon that is impossibly light. The problem is that the moon is not as big as he describes.

      You should question any claims, mine included. I could be making up my facts and it only takes 5 minutes to check what I say. PS: volume (V) of a sphere, given radius (R)

      V= 4/3 * r^3

      2 · November 18, 2013

  • Mike V.

    Inspiring conversation which was taken to the moon and back (literally)..too bad it’s not real ;-)

    2 · November 17, 2013

  • timios

    Enjoyed the venue (1st time for me) and the parea. For those who heard me mention the Greek Film Festival movie Αν... ("What if...") was in the style of Sliding Doors, well, funny enough, Sliding Doors is on TV tonight...

    November 17, 2013

    • Mia

      Oh, what a shame, I missed the Sliding Doors. For those interested, "Αν" is on this Saturday too. Info and trailer of "Αν" here: http://greekfilmfesti...­

      November 18, 2013

  • Joanne

    Pity I missed the rest of the debate! Always good to get some mental gymnastics

    November 17, 2013

    • George T

      Well it was more like advanced mental yoga :P

      1 · November 17, 2013

    • Mia

      Hehehe, didn't miss much Joanne, the betting part was the highlight :P

      3 · November 18, 2013

  • George T

    It was a fund day, I hope the debates didn't put many off :-) It got pretty philosophical. Here is the thunderstone I was talking about
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Horseman#Thunder_Stone

    A video in Greek regarding it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o_nvfQ-3B0

    2 · November 16, 2013

    • Mia

      It's amazing what people can do when they combine forces and persist over time!! Inconceivable in the mind...

      November 18, 2013

  • George T

    It is good we made it through the Van Halen belts (sic) uscathed although my colestorol is up. Now that might be the moons green cheese or the choc panna cotta

    November 17, 2013

  • Michael

    I thought it was great! Although perhaps the fluoride in the drinking water is making me think that!

    November 17, 2013

  • maryanne

    I've got 2 tables inside.

    1 · November 16, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    See you there

    October 31, 2013

  • maryanne

    2 min from my place, and a great cafe :)

    1 · October 29, 2013

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