Re: [musicians-353] open jams
| From: | p b |
| Sent on: | Saturday, May 26, 2012, 10:17 AM |
Wow. O just joined this group and it seemed to be pretty tolerant musicians of all levels. I wrong? I always believe in teaching/ nurturing/encouraging entry level artists I would.hope this list feels this way. Amy, I would lobe to hear you, pat Sent via my Samsung Galaxy Prevail from Boost Mobile Amy Bogue <[address removed]> wrote: >I am not even sure how I became a part of this group, but I'm guessing that it is something that I signed up >for a very long time ago, maybe to find out about where there might be open mic nights in the area that I could >participate in. >Could some kind soul please send me an email and tell me how I can remove myself from this list? > >As a mere amateur singer/songwriter who only knows a handful of guitar chords, I know that my modest >amount of talent would make me, oh let's just say, ineligible to hang with some of the rock Gods of this group. >Someone used the word "wanker" - and I'd say I'm even less than that. > >Before I go, I'd just like to say to some of you that, if you are looking to grow your group of musicians, you might >want to consider being a little more friendly and welcoming and a little less, well, egotistical. Just a thought. >I have met a lot of really great people in this area that are musicians, and for the most part, they have been very very >supportive of one another. I know that at least a few of them are members of this group, and I am proud to say that I >know them. > >Have a great day! > > >________________________________ > From: Randy Constan <[address removed]> >To: [address removed] >Sent: Saturday, May 26,[masked]:42 AM >Subject: Re: [musicians-353] open jams > > >A correction from Susan on her post... > > >On 5/25/2012 3:42 PM, Susan wrote: >Randy --There was a mistake in my post -- I said Tampa jam meets 4th Thursdays at Sacred Grounds -- should have said TUESDAYS. Thanks for bringing sanity to the dialogue. >>Susan >> >>From:[address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Randy Constan >>Sent: Friday, May 25,[masked]:50 PM >>To: [address removed] >>Subject: Re: [musicians-353] open jams >> >>Thanks Sue! I'll pass this along to the new TBJammers yahoo group we just stared too. Even though you're in orlando, I asked tyhe moderator to send you an invite to the group! >>Randy (PeterPan) >> >>On 5/24/2012 9:27 PM, Susan wrote: >>The jam I always enjoyed most in Tampa was the Tampa Jam group, which meets on the first Tuesdays at Cafe Kili around 7-7:30 to 9 pm and fourth Thursday at Sacred Grounds, mostly acoustic, informal, and a fun group open to all skill levels and all types of music. Usually it meets also on the second Tuesdays at someone's home. For info, the jam leader is Rick Ferriss, [address removed], he sends a weekly email with lots of jam and open mike info. Many musical collaborations have come out of this group. >> >>Also, try the open mike at Front Porch (led by my daughter, Betty Fox) and the First Friday open mike at Tre Amici. >> >>For more electrical or blues, people go to the Green Iguana or to Damon Fowler's jam. >> >>I miss these groups because I now live in Orlando where we don't as much of a live music scene. >> >> >> >>From:[address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Amy Bogue >>Sent: Thursday, May 24,[masked]:09 AM >>To: [address removed] >>Subject: Re: [musicians-353] open jams >> >>Yay Mike! :) >>My thoughts exactly. >> >> >>________________________________ >> >>From:C Mike B <[address removed]> >>To: [address removed] >>Sent: Wednesday, May 23,[masked]:59 PM >>Subject: Re: [musicians-353] open jams >> >>Dear all: >> >>Please do not feed the trolls. >> >>Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. >> >>Sincerely, >>Canadian Mike >> >>Sent from my iPhone >> >>On May 23, 2012, at 4:45 PM, Jim > Meister <[address removed]> wrote: >>What you are doing is not of God! >>> >>>Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>On May 23, 2012, at 4:39 PM, > Steve Taton <[address removed]> wrote: >>>Why on earth would a "Christian" invoke the name of the S-word in an forum where people are trying to have a legitimate discussion? There are many who believe that every time you say that S-word, you cancel out about between a hundred to a thousand times of saying "Jesus" or "God Bless." That is why Catholic priests, nuns, and teachers will tell someone to say so many "Hail Mary's." >>>> >>>>I find it extremely offensive for someone to use that particular S-word, especially when the people to whom he directed it were trying to have a serious discussion about music. After all, music is supposed to be why we're here. >>>> >>>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> >>>>From:Randy Constan <[address removed]> >>>>To: [address removed] >>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 23,[masked]:31 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [musicians-353] open jams >>>> >>>> >>>>On 5/23/2012 > 4:16 PM, Jim > Meister wrote: >>>>I am a Christian Rock drummer with Gods announting on my playing! Do not bother me with this childish jiberish. >>>> >>>>Sent from my > iPhone >>>>Oh for goodness sakes!! Well OK, get this...I'm a Christian pixie fairy (I really am!), and I don't know if I'd claim God has anointed my playing, because despite his blessings I do have to practice my butt off to be at my best, but I also try to write both spiritually uplifting songs, and just plain fun ones too. Too bad you're so 'anointed" you can't see there might actually be some kindred spirits here, because you might like one or two of my songs. Buty you'll never know if you're sitting there trying to cast demons out of your I-phone! >>>> >>>>Satan isn't > here... this > is the Tampa > "Musicians > Meetup" group, > not the > "Satanic > Pentagram dark > Meetup", so > nobody here is > "getting > behind" you. > If you really > don't want > these messages > to stop, I > think you'd be > better off > going to the > list manager > and changing > your settings, > or leaving the > group. >>>> >>>>God bless you, > and have a > nice day. :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Randy (PeterPan) >>>>* * * >>>> > * > * >>>>... Second > Star to the > Right, and > Straight on > Till Morning! >>>> > * > * > * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On May 23, > 2012, at 4:14 > PM, Jim > Meister <[address removed]> wrote: >>>>Satan, get thee behind me in Jesus name! >>>>> >>>>>Sent from my > iPhone >>>>> >>>>>On May 23, > 2012, at 4:05 > PM, Randy > Constan <[address removed]> wrote: >>>>>Anthony, >>>>>> >>>>>>A completely > spontaneous > jam is my > preference too > (when it > works), but as > far as your > definitions > go, the entire > history of > jazz and every > single jazz > musician > anywhere is in > total > disagreement > with what > you're > saying. > Bottom line, > its semantics, > but there's > only so far > one can go in > creating their > own private > meanings of > words. >>>>>> >>>>>>But setting > aside the > argument over > definitions, > the important > thing here is > flexibility. > If we want to > make sure > spontaneous > invention is > done, I don't > think you'd > get any > argument that > its always > worth trying. > But I don't > think we'd > want to > RESTRICT such > a jam, to the > point where no > one can > request > jamming using > some song or > another as a > starting > point. >>>>>>Randy (PeterPan) >>>>>> >>>>>>On 5/23/2012 > 1:10 PM, > anthony Glaser > wrote: >>>>>>I would agree that there is a certain degree of acceptability and creativity to reinterpretation of an original work whether it be Coltrain or Hendrix redoing Watchtower. But both Coltrain and Hendrix contributed original material, and are usually better known or at least as well known for their original works as for their covers. >>>>>> >>>>>>Regardless, either of those is still not an open jam or improv. >>>>>> >>>>>>So I would say while there certainly can be artistic value in performing an interpretation, that is still not an improvisation, that is a performance. >>>>>> >>>>>>I have no problem with playing a cover tune, regardless of the intent of the performance to either duplicate or interpret. >>>>>> >>>>>>What I'm talking about in an improv /jam is a musical conversation between a bunch of different people using their instruments, and or voices to communicate, as opposed to a prepared speech, or oration, or reading from a book. So while any conversation might start about a given topic like "Hey Fred it sure is hot outside", original new topics are always more fun than talking about stuff that has already been hashed out a million time. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>---- Steve Taton <[address removed]> wrote: >>>>>>OK.  Suppose you're right here: that music isn't truly creative if you play over someone else's songs.  Are you saying that John Coltrane's "My Favorite Things" is predictable, or that is wasn't creative?  >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It's not the song, it's what you do with it.  But a little bit of structure as a touchstone usually helps.  And stereotyping fans of any genre is not really the true spirit of music.  There are wankers who play rock, wankers who play jamband stuff, wankers who play blues, and wankers who play free-form.  There are also massive egos in each genre.  There are people who know when to end a two-chord jam, and people who don't.  There are people who know when to end a blues jam, and people who don't.  >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Just remember, if you are a musician, you are my brother (or sister.)  I don't care what genre you play.  I don't care if you play covers, your own songs, or a combination of both.  All I really care about is an open mind, and a spirit of cooperation and non-judgment.  The scene around here often pits genres against each other, and musicians against each other.  Really, though, we are all in this together.  >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>>>From: anthony Glaser <[address removed]> >>>>>>>To: [address removed] >>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 23,[masked]:07 AM >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [musicians-353] open jams >>>>>>>One would like to believe that the players have enough sense to stop a jam or morph a jam when it gets tedious. If not a moderator would be required to bring it down, and like I said they have time limits, just like the open mics do. Having myself been stuck in a groove on more than one occasion I can identify with that, but that is what the moderator is for to keep time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>And just like anything that happens on the fly, spontaneously, it's not always perfect in fact sometimes it's crap. But then again the predictability of meatloaf and mashed potatoes every Friday night is a fate far more horrible than an occasional bad piece of random sushi. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>As far playing playing over some music that someone else wrote. I don't see how that can be considered improvisation. "We're going to improvise over Elizabeth Reed", or "we're going to improvise over The Weight". Then by definition you are NOT improvising. You're just pretending to be guitar hero's over something that someone else wrote. How tedious and uncreative is that?? When you know what to expect it's already written. When you get to think on the fly and really create something fresh that's art. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>But you guys who want to jam over the oldies should just get a good midi player, or a canned recording and plug it in when you go on stage. Then you can pretend to be your fav guitar hero on stage. That's going be real exciting!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>---- Steve Taton <[address removed]> wrote: >>>>>>>I see your point, and like spontaneity, but the choice of songs has nothing to do with musicans who just "wank."  Any jam session with a bunch of guitarists is going to have at least one wanker.  I see where you're coming from, but I remember a place in Dunedin that had jam sessions pretty much like what you say.  The band started a 2-5 "progression" with no resolution to the one, with a contemporary jamband-style "new-funk" tempo.  I went outside and walked around town a bit.  When I got back in, twenty minutes later, it was still the same neo-funk 2-5 jam.  They finally stopped, and started another jam.  >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So, what did they play next?  You guessed it: another neo-funk tempo, but with two different chords.  >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>When it comes down to it, it wasn't the neo-funk tempo that killed creativity, it was hammering it into the ground and wanking for twenty minutes at a time.  The same thing holds true with Muddy, or any blues song.  Some people play blues, and some people wank to blues progressions.  The Allman Brothers used to play all blues, still play mostly blues.  They have never bored anybody, and they certainly are creative. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have a unique problem when doing blues jams.  I can't do most of my original material in a jam with strangers because I am a tad restless, and throw little aberrations and occasional bridges into my bluesier stuff.  I have actually had to write a couple of standard blues songs just so that I can take a few originals to jam nights if I want to. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I think a hybrid is great.  The Dead are the best example.  They would play a song with seven or eight chords, and suddenly go off on a two or three chord jam tangent in the middle of a song.  >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>With apologies to John Donne's seminal "A >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Please Note: If you hit "REPLY", your message will be 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