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Vincent
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Group Organizer
Cleveland, OH
We can begin with this one and bring your own: While studying Darwin we are led to the conclusion the concept of good and evil is strictly a human concept therefore it is a social concept. What does this mean, does it mean that evolution has built into human’s social concepts to help us in our survival, is it merely the ability to attach definitions to things to aid in our survival and to be manipulated to further the survival of some.

Don’t forget the date change this month due to the Fourth of July holiday and lets all have a safe and happy Fourth.
A former member
Post #: 1
Human beings we tend to think life revolves around us although science tells us otherwise. Good and Evil varies from individual to individual based on their belief or faith. However there is a fundamental evil and good common to all based on reality. With reality being life as we know it good and evil would have to be based on life as we know it on this plane of being.
We must have common definitions of good and evil. Good would be what is in the best interest of human beings common to all. And of course evil would be whatever is detrimental to human beings common to all. (All being all human beings).
Good would be those things which pre-long life and makes for a healthy body. Evil would of course be it's opposite; those things which shortens life and causes suffering. With good and evil being opposites then of course there are degrees of good and evil as there are degrees of hot and cold.
Anything that perpetuates the life of some over all is of course evil. Human beings are like cells in a human body.
The survival of some at the expense of many is parasitic.
I am familiar with Darwin of course but I haven't read the book where he talks about good and evil. Sorry! Good and Evil is like religions with every religion creating their own concept of good and evil for the purpose of exploiting and controlling the masses. However anything contradictory to the survival of humanity is of course evil to some degree.
Human beings are evolving. The problem is change! We are going to learn from our experiences however, experience is a cruel teacher because if you don't learn/ change you will suffer from your mistakes, ignorance, greed, whatever. If we do not change soon enough we won't be able to overcome the evil that we do which could cause the death of humanity. People speculate a lot of things while ignoring reason and our commonalities.
Peace
Mark R. O.
MROrel
Cleveland, OH
Post #: 119
There is another reality that says God is pure good and
the Devil is pure evil.


M. Orel
A former member
Post #: 2
What do we know of God or a Devil which we haven't created on our own? Who has conversed with God or the Devil? The Catholicism stated the sun revolved around the earth and considered it blasphmous and heresy to say or believe contradictory. We know these men weren't talking to God!

Not questioning the existence of God or the Devil. I will say with confidence, the only evil I know is that which men do; the only good I know is that which men do. Each individual seems to have their own reality within their mind. However there is a fundamental or substantial reality in which we live and breathe and have our being, which comprises the laws of nature.

Is life free will or is it predetermined, a series of cause and effect? If it is free will then of course we are responsible for the good and evil and knowone else. If life is predetermined meaning all is a series of cause and effect then we have no choice in our actions. However, life is also based upon degrees, which means that we have choices within degrees of predetermination. Example: When tired, needing rest we can choose to sit or lay with laying being more extreme degree than sitting. When thirsty some will desire colder water than others but they will all desire liquid refreshment. Therefore the cause can lead to different forms of action based on the free will of the individual. These forms of actions represents degrees or free will within cause.

What of good and evil? I think they're a matter of choice based on cause with the resulting action (effect) being predetermined. However the resulting response (Predetermined action) is a matter of degrees, with each individual forced to respond but differing in degree of response which represents free will within predetermination.
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