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EAST THROAT of GRAND CANYON, Salt Trail to Big Canyon 18 MILES

EAST THROAT of Grand Canyon....

SALT TRAIL...canyoneering/hike
Friday, February 15,[masked]:00 PM
to Sunday, February 17, 2013, 3:00 PM

There is a permit fee for this expedition to the Navajo Nation. The fee is $20 per person for 2 nights camp and Hike into the canyon. Navajo Nation Hike Rules to be obeyed at all times. Permit has been sent in for those on the meetup as of 1/25/13. Anyone new will need to get their permit on their own, here is the link:

http://navajonationparks.org/pdf/camping411.pdf

Meet up at Cameron Trading Post 5PM (or at EXIT PORTAL, entry to Big Canyon around 6PM or at ENTRY PORTAL; anytime in the evening):

http://www.camerontradingpost.com/restaurant.html

Salt Canyon Trailhead (Friday night car camp):

http://files.meetup.com/359190/SaltTrailCarCamp.jpg

Salt Canyon Trailmap to LCR:

http://files.meetup.com/359190/SaltTrailHikeRoute.jpg

Big Canyon TrailMap:

http://files.meetup.com/359190/BigCanyonTrailRoute.jpg

Proposed CAMP location; about 7 miles from EXIT Portal:

http://files.meetup.com/359190/BigCanyonCampGPS.png

Road Map to Exit Portal:

http://files.meetup.com/359190/BigCanyonPortalRoadMap.jpg


This is a dangerous adventure, not advised for beginners. Hikers that sign up should consider themselves in good physical condition. There are numerous areas of this hike that glide along steep cliffs. If you are afraid of heights, also not advised.

This is another BAD ASS Hike for the BAD ASS ADVENTURERS....
Friday night; Car Camp at trailhead.
Saturday morning, depart trail; camp at bottom and explore the area. We will venture along the Little Colorado River (LCR) EAST to the "Big Canyon"....will look for the HOT SPRINGS and go about 5-6 miles up Big Canyon and make camp there.


Sunday morning, hike out.
IT WILL BE VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY COLD. No whiners.

We will have cars at the ENTRY PORTAL (Salt Canyon Trailhead) and at the EXIT PORTAL (Big Canyon Trailhead)

PHOTOS and maps are posted in the H3 files tab.

Here is a historical account of a famous photographer that had died from a flash flood while photographing Big Canyon:

http://www.eliasbutler.com/mancuso.htm


INFO below was taken from a hikearizona.com thread of previous hikes on this route.

This old Hopi route goes 3 miles down Salt Trail Canyon to the Little Colorado River referred to as LCR. The route is slightly rough in the beginning and end. Route finding is necessary to the point where you simply need to pay attention to cairns.

Approach: From Highway 89, it is about 20 Miles from Tuba City.

Hike: From the trailhead it's a 180ft soft drop down a hillside to the edge of the canyon. A large cairn marks the spot. It's an immediate drop off the edge down-climbing boulders. Fear not as this isn't technical nor scary. I believe this is the most physically demanding part of the hike and it's goes by quick. The rocks are firm. Only one or two rocks had enough play to get my attention the entire trip. When I heard Harvey Butchart hiked the route in 1964 with an arm in a cast I knew it couldn't be as difficult as the rumors.

Once you get down to the totem pole it's time to get serious about spotting cairns. If you hike over a few minutes without seeing a cairn stop. Think it over and figure out where the next cairn is located. You may have to backtrack a tad but your life is worth it. From this point on a single trekking pole is the way to. Two becomes cumbersome as you occasionally need to use a hand.

The cairns will lead you down through the layers of the supai group to ledges in the redwall. This is about 1,400ft down from the start. You actually follow the ledges for a short distance. At one point in the middle you'll likely need to crawl a couple feet if you have more than a daypack. After the ledges comes the crossover. Crossing over you pass a staircase waterfall after heavy rains. The remainder of the hike down will now be on the right side of the canyon. If it took you three hours to get to the crossover it'll be about two more hours to the river. It's about a 1,900ft drop to the crossover and another 800ft to the river.

For the next mile you skirt ledges with some sheer drop-offs. It's easy travel until you get near the end. Approaching which you'll have nice views of the soft blue river unless it's rained in recent weeks. The cairns will lead you down at the end. You cross the creek and come up to a bare spot which is the helipad. Take the main trail left off the helipad and through the vegetation to Calcium Carbonate Beach. A little further gets you to Teva Joe Beach just before spring rock.

Water: The beautiful blue water is loaded with calcium carbonate. It's drinkable but you'd likely rather not. I used it in some freeze dried chili and it tasted fine. One of the USFWS biologist mentioned it's loaded with parasites and will likely give you the runs if you drink it in quantity. Take a Platypus collapsible water container and let it sit overnight. It still has the taste but the bite isn't as repulsive. We will have water filters.

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  • A former member
    A former member

    Doing this again at months end... making it a 2 day backpacking trip so i get to have some time to explore the inner canyon....Saturday day hike down to the Colorado and LCR confluence...hit me up if any of you cats are interested

    October 12, 2013

  • joe c.

    this hike was not for the beginner. still walking funny but one of those things that I can mark off the old bucket list. great group of guys, had a blast with em, I know I will see medal again but steve and pete, hope to see you again some time.

    1 · February 18, 2013

    • joe c.

      [masked]-9061. Steve

      March 1, 2013

    • Gloria T.

      Im in for sure next time! !

      March 1, 2013

  • steve

    Thanks to Peter for putting this all together. Btw, I left my hat in your car Peter. f'n things been hard to hold on to!

    February 19, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      i am doing Tanque Verde Falls in MAY BTW

      February 25, 2013

    • steve

      I'll try to get in touch with Joe. As for May, I'll have to check out this Tanque verde falls, but I am booked for sure May 3-5.

      February 26, 2013

  • Jim M.

    Do this again in July and I may consider it. In February, no freezin' way !

    January 17, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      will be doing again FOR SURE in MAY...little to hot me in July

      January 19, 2013

    • steve

      July my a**.

      1 · February 19, 2013

  • steve

    Missing our crazy vibe already. I'm pretty damn sore myself. It's a good sore. lol.

    1 · February 19, 2013

  • Bob L.

    It was "EPIC" most certainly. I'll be walking funny for days. Had a great time as will. Not for the faint of heart - serious hike for an in-and-out two day deal. Hope Chance is feeling better!

    1 · February 18, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    For all that missed....i will arrange something in the future going down BIG CANYON with Repel's down to the LCR and out SALT TRAIL... NOV to MARCH only...not interested in this in any kind of heat....

    2 · February 18, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    EPIC!

    3 · February 18, 2013

  • Gloria T.

    Cool cool pic .......and I missed it :-(

    February 18, 2013

  • steve

    Kick A** hike. Will get some pics on here this week.

    February 18, 2013

  • Gloria T.

    Wow! Great pics ..great views! Hope I get to go someday! !

    February 18, 2013

  • Gloria T.

    Looking good guys! Have fun! I feel a little better today after a week of this crap! Take lots of pics

    February 15, 2013

  • Tim K

    Peter, I am going to have to bow out. Sorry for the late notice.

    February 14, 2013

  • Bob L.

    My plan is to take a leisurely drive up Friday and ending up at Cameron by 5pm. I am flexible if anyone is interested in joining me on the way up and down. I can park wherever is convenient, let me know. I can carry 5 people total and a lot of bags in my 4 WD 79 Scout ..... Anyone needing a ride, let me know. Looking forward to it - not the cold, though. I can park at the Exit, if needed.

    February 12, 2013

    • Tim K

      Will do Bob... thank you

      February 14, 2013

    • Tim K

      Bob - change of plans for me. Go ahead without me.

      February 14, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    WEATHER REPORT FOR FRIDAY NIGHT:
    Friday Sunny, with a high near 48. Northeast wind around 5 mph.
    Friday Night Mostly clear, with a low around 24. North northeast wind 5 to 7 mph.
    Saturday Sunny, with a high near 52. North northeast wind 5 to 8 mph becoming southeast in the morning.
    Saturday Night Mostly clear, with a low around 26. East southeast wind 5 to 8 mph becoming calm in the evening

    February 14, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    FRIDAY NIGHT CAR CAMP: Crab boil it is...plus shrimp...plus crab plus clams....plus cod....potato/corn ...onions... shallots...garlic... white wine....fresh herbs...more garlic....cracked pepper....garnish with green onions; fish sauce; chili sauce Grilled Italian Bread with garlic butter paste. If anyone wants in on this feast (will have my crab boiler with)... Joe ^ Steve, Dave and I are in...anyone else.....let me know , I will save the grocery receipt and we can all just split the cost

    1 · February 13, 2013

    • steve

      That looks like we'll be needing to swim through the river.... Won't it be dry though?

      February 14, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      anytime I am in the big hole, i bring mult. pairs of socks and an extra set of dry shoes....cuz ya never know

      February 14, 2013

  • Gloria T.

    Peter....ive been down for 6 days with the flu...and still am not 100% I feel I better sit this out .my fever has been coming and going and my cough is terrific. I feel if I should get worst I may not be able to get help . Tim is still coming....

    February 13, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Get well

      1 · February 13, 2013

  • Bob L.

    Count me in. Sounds great.

    February 13, 2013

  • Bob L.

    Should have offered my cell number -[masked] --- if anyone needs anything.

    February 12, 2013

  • Bob L.

    I'll pack some snowshoes......

    February 4, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      pack them anyway...perhaps we can have pizza and beer at Snow Bowl after for a hike up Humphreys

      February 12, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Hey everyone, I have received our permits and car permits for the Navajo reservation....I have printed 6 originals; one for each person for your pack and your car... who is going to park at the exit portal? Medal[masked]

    February 12, 2013

  • steve

    I wonder if cell phones are going to work near our Friday rendevous? Is this Cameron trading place an okay place to leave a car? Or maybe I'll need to drive if there's no room in anyone elses car anyway? I'm heading up to Flag Thursday night to ski Friday if anyone wants a lift. my cell is[masked]

    February 12, 2013

    • Gloria T.

      The Hotel at the Trading Post is ok to leave your car .I would call for info just in case.....

      February 12, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Yes, we can also pick you up in Flagstaff..if you leave your car at the mall......My Yukon has a shit ton of space Medal[masked]

      February 12, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    WEATHER REPORT from the NWS....28 will be the LOW on Friday night car camp...bright and sunny saturday with a high of 52 at the top....should be slightly warmer down at the LCR...no snow in forecast

    1 · February 12, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    So that we dont die in a flash flood...should it start raining on us....we will break camp for higher ground and/or get out of the Big Canyon....because we are NOT doing this in monsoon season, dont think it is going to be an issue....SNOW, if anything.

    February 4, 2013

  • Bob L.

    Peter, just looking at this position/coordinate in your camping spot message, it looks like Big Canyon is 14 miles total in length. I assume we are going in on the Salt side, to the lower end of Salt, then hiking over to the lower end of Big Canyon then up Big Canyon to the exit. Just checking. Sorry if I am confused. Want to understand it... What's the calculated total distance then? This site looks like it's relatively close to exit. Also, you should have gotten my $20 in the mail. Take care!

    February 3, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Yes, we will go in via Salt Canyon trailhead....we should have the bulk of our vehicles at the Big Canyon Trailhead. total estimated distance for the "in and out" is 17.5 miles (3.5 miles from Salt Canyon Trailhead to the mouth of Big Canyon; 14 miles to Big Canyon exit).

      1 · February 4, 2013

  • Bob L.

    Interesting story about Big Canyon. http://www.eliasbutler.com/mancuso.htm

    1 · February 3, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      awesome story and write up...damn i cant wait to do this adventure...

      February 4, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I got the money order mailed off for our permits, $120.....to make it easy on ya'll...you can either PayPal me at [masked] or mail me a check... Peter Medal, 7835 W. Kimberly Way, Glendale, AZ 85308. Cant wait to do this adventure. :)

    January 28, 2013

    • steve

      you should have rec'd my 20 by now Peter. The route looks good, and I'm still planning to ski Friday. Probably hotel in Flag Thursday night. Email me if you're interested in skiing.

      January 31, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Yo Dawgs....here is the map of the suggested camp area for SAT night...it shows the GPS coordinate and elevation (red arrow):
    http://files.meetup.com/359190/BigCanyonCampGPS.png
    Its about 6.5 miles UP Big Canyon 7.5 miles from our exit portal.

    January 30, 2013

  • Bob L.

    This is sounding better all the time. Peter, money's on its way.

    January 28, 2013

  • steve

    I'm considering heading up to ski Snowbowl on Friday, then over to Tuba City after that. Let me know if there is any interest.

    January 28, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Hey all.... once we get down and set up camp....who wants to day hike to find the hot springs in "big canyon" which is the canyon next door? Also, in studying the area...would anyone be interested as an exit option of exiting BIG CANYON instead of going back out the same way we came in....it would be 14 miles and we would have to have a car or two at the Big Canyon Exit portal (see photo)

    January 28, 2013

    • steve

      14 miles is a long Sunday day hike out, with a long drive back. Is it possible to camp in big canyon Saturday night? I'm assuming that way Sunday's hike out would be a lot less than 14 miles out...

      January 28, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      totally steve...i really want to find out where the hot spring is ....in "big canyon"....we have 19 miles total on trip....so go down 3...to the LCR....traverse to the BC for another 1....and go up say 6 or 7 miles...I'm totally down for that....10-11 miles SAT and 8-9 miles SUN

      1 · January 28, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Gloria: Here is the photo showing a MAP to the Big Canyon exit portal:
    http://files.meetup.com/359190/BigCanyonPortalRoadMap.jpg
    The LAT/LONG on the map is for where we turn off on Highway 89 onto Indian Rout 6134. DIRECTIONS: from Highway 180 drive NORTH on Highway[masked] miles. Turn WEST/LEFT onto Indian Route 6134 about 9 Miles to a side road which overlooks the throat of Big Canyon. Logically, it makes sense to meet here leave a car or two here and drive to the Salt Trailhead. I am departing from I-17/Carefree Highway around 2PM with Dave Pittsenbarger and anyone else that wants to roll up with us.

    January 28, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Here is the link to the BIG CANYON trail map...its 14 miles and if we were to exit this way, would need to park a car at the exit portal..http://files.meetup.com/359190/BigCanyonTrailRoute.jpg

    January 28, 2013

    • Gloria T.

      Im up for it? Sounds fun! ?

      January 28, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    January 25, 2013

    • Gloria T.

      Peter got Tims money for permit...see you in the AM

      January 25, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Stuff I am packing in my old school back pack for the hike down SAT morning and camping at the bottom: Tent; Thermarest; Sleeping Bag; 4 quarts water; Food for Sat/Sun; Water Filter; First Aid Kit; Extra Jacket; Gloves; Blanket; extra DRY clothing

    January 23, 2013

  • Gloria T.

    Peter tim korsmo wants you to call him, he has questions about the permit 6024301294. Also what type of bag will we need for this hike?

    January 22, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      spoke with time last night...got him on the permit; less one chris s.; type of bag....see my next notification

      January 23, 2013

  • steve

    Found this online about the trail:

    few know of the Hopi Trail and fewer have traveled it. Some locals make the journey when they are on a ritual quest for salt. According to the belief of some Third Mesa Villages, the Grand Canyon contains not only sacred salt beds and shrines but also “Sipapu” the center of creation, or place where humans emerged.

    1 · January 22, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Gloria will be EXCLUDED from Permit; I am preparing the Permit NOW for everyone else.... I suppose everyone else can PayPal me their $20 or mail a check, whatever (Me; Joe Cooper; Steve; Bob La France; Dave Pittenbarger; Chris Schwartz).

    January 22, 2013

    • steve

      I can paypal it to you whenever it's set up. I'm not Navajo.

      January 22, 2013

    • Gloria T.

      Tim kormov too! Hes my invitee :-)

      1 · January 22, 2013

  • Gloria T.

    Talked to helen weber ...she said to download permit applicatipn on website...with MO . I will not need a permit since I am native. Number to office is[masked]

    January 22, 2013

  • Gloria T.

    January 22, 2013

  • Bob L.

    Looks like you have the permit part figured out. How will we pre-pay? ....Through the Navajonationparks.org website you mentioned earlier? I see they have a form. I'll sign up for the hike today - thanks

    January 21, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      i will call them this week to verify restrictions/max persons and once I have it figured out will switch to paypal or something.

      1 · January 21, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    January 20, 2013

  • steve

    Based on the elevations you gave, the averages at night shouldn't get colder than 25 degrees. Colder if we're in a bit of a cold snap of course. As far as I know, there are no fires allowed below the rim. Just bring a nice warm down bag and you should be fine.

    January 19, 2013

  • Bob L.

    Looks like a great hike. Would be nice if you could arrange some hot springs too. I am hoping to go on this one. Should know in a day or two.

    January 18, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      will purchase a topo of the area..if they are delineated on the map...absolutely want to hit them...

      January 19, 2013

  • steve

    I'll be leaving from Tucson to make it up there on Friday. Is the leave time at 6pm from PHX, or is the meetup point at 6pm in Tuba City? Seems like a nice trip. If you know offhand what the camp elevations will be, that will help to plan for the weather. Thanks!

    January 18, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      ELEVATION at bottom is around 3400' ELEVATION at trailhead is around 5400'

      January 19, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Meet up point is SONIC BURGER in tuba city 6PM....

      January 19, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    HEY ALL...just found out we will need a permit for this with the Navajo Nation....for two nights camp and hike it is $20 per person...will contact them on Monday to confirm/deny if there is a MAX # of persons http://navajonationparks.org/pdf/camping411.pdf

    January 19, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Once I get more info on the permit I will post accordingly....

      January 19, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I will post a map of the hike and a road map from Highway 89 in the next couple days for all.

    January 17, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    January 17, 2013

    • Gloria T.

      Got it .....checked it out OMG! ! IM IN! !! waiting on Tim to respond! !! Im from that reservation:-) further north though in Utah

      January 17, 2013

  • Gloria T.

    How long is trail? Do you have a map?

    January 17, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Current permit is for 6 + gloria

    January 17, 2013

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