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Re: [ruby-112] Reaching out to DevOps folks

From: Vaz A.
Sent on: Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:41 PM
Michael: Of course, the real stories come over beers!  But thanks for the excellent reply and the links.  I've been known to spend too much time tweaking on my own dev environment when I should be producing so I can relate to the idea of the precarious balance—your description makes me imagine a not-so-delicately-constructed DevOps team is like unleashing a team of carpenters in the office to rebuild all the desks and chairs while the programmers are working at them... :)

2013/6/6 Michael <[address removed]>
> @Michael, I have to admit I'm curious to hear why managing a DevOps team is a terrible idea... sounds like a good story.

I am not going to go into detail on a mailing list, maybe over a beer some time!

My personal take on it is that DevOps is about breaking down barriers,
and focusing on making the process of turning code into a running
production service as smooth and efficient a pipeline as possible.
Adding a DevOps team into your org structure has the opposite effect
unless you do it very delicately; instead of making the process
simpler the team instead becomes another silo competing with the
Network, Security, Build, Systems, QA, Development etc.

Quite a few other people have explained why a DevOps team is a
terrible idea much more elegantly, some of my favorite bookmarks
include:

This recent blog post by Ben Kepes:
"Operations is Dead, but Please Don’t Replace it with DevOps"
http://diversity.net.nz/operations-is-dead-but-please-dont-replace-it-with-devops/2013/05/15/

Adrian Cockrofts post on how they approach things at Netflix is well
worth reading:
"Ops, DevOps and PaaS (NoOps) at Netflix"
http://perfcap.blogspot.ca/2012/03/ops-devops-and-noops-at-netflix.html

And if you want something much more cynical try the adventures of DevOps dave:
https://www.scriptrock.com/blog/devops-dave-devops-team/


Michael



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