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PVS Discussion Group At The Forbes Library


Come Join us for conversation and companionship.

We generally take a few minutes at the beginning of each Forbes meetup to plan forthcoming PVS community building efforts and events. The main purpose of the discussion group is to enable members to share relevant ideas, local and national current events, and to learn from and about each other.

Coffee is available for $1 a cup near the circulation desk, but feel free to bring your own beverage and food.

Paid parking is available behind and across from the library. Quarters !   :-D



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  • Maria K.

    Sorry, can't make it today -- and can't figure out how to change the RSVP.

    April 27, 2013

  • Donald S.

    .. by the way Krampus is coming back!

    April 24, 2013

  • Donald S.

    Richard, Thanks for the “rituals” request. I like the idea that we all have a “cultural skin” and with it comes all of the “good stuff and bad shit” of our past. I am an American, but I did not walk on the moon nor did I murder any native Americans. However as I travel in the world this “skin” is mine, like it or not. So it seems to me to be with our religious past. Christmas is not going away in my lifetime, nor do I want it to, however it easy to imagine that it would be celebrated well into the future after being morphed by the rest of the world into a secular party that we will “own” in the end. ~I'm looking forward to seeing everyone on Saturday.

    1 · April 24, 2013

  • Donald S.

    Shaun, I love this argument, “Atheism is a religion”. I think we'd be better off to concede this point... It would require a slight re-definition of the word “RELIGION” If religion is a claim about how the world works (and we are making this claim with science and reason). However our claims can be and has been vetted and tested all over the world without borders and we win this argument on every front including “morality”. In any case we are thrown into this category whether we like it or not. Sam Harris' “the word religion is like the word sport”. Lets play ball!

    April 24, 2013

  • Richard D.

    I'd like to talk about atheist rituals. What do I mean? Well, many of us celebrate various holidays and have converted the best parts and left the trappings of religion behind. Many of us exchange gifts still and/or put up a tree. However atheism does not really own any rituals, and as a community we can make up new ones whenever we feel like. I'd like to learn what people do, and as a group what we like to do or what we would like to do. Awkward sentence is awkward.

    3 · April 23, 2013

  • Shawn

    Great! So, to distill both links into an easy topic: Non-theists are often accused of following just another form of "religion." Do we agree with this charge on some level, or is it possible for individuals or groups to be rational?

    April 17, 2013

  • Donald S.

    The Humans were really great at the last meeting, if there were any aliens there you did a great job acting all too human, I couldn't tell. A “wish list” for next time: 1. More than our names, as an introduction, I'd love to hear some personal (short) stories about our histories or deconversions. 2. Has anyone had a personal atheist experience with “death” as described by Greta Christina? That is, after receiving a local anesthetic the “gap” of time that is missing from your existence is a noticeable void. 3. Has anyone revisited their old “habit” to notice how strange it looks now? I've been back to church (Catholic) and the rituals seems so strange as to be quite bizarre, very Medieval, very real time travel. Finally not to be puffed up or arrogant but I think it is a fair statement to say that we live on the best planet in the solar system, please let me know if I've gone too far here.

    1 · April 16, 2013

    • Shawn

      Whoa, hold on now- you've gone to far! I'm not sure I get the reference to "aliens", but the Nietzsche parallel (All too Human) is clear: his writings on morality are a basis for modern nontheist morality (last week's discussion), and the dubious linkage of his thinking and anti-semitism are analoagous to calling Sam Harris an anti-islamist. Extremely incisive, but perhaps too oblique for people who aren't philosophy buffs. I'm kidding about "going too far", of course- but as a general caveat, people in the group are often somewhat circumspect about sharing too much personal information at first:)

      April 16, 2013

  • Donald S.

    April 16, 2013

  • Sean

    Hi all, I just read a great article about islamaphobia among the "new atheists", primarily Sam Harris. You can check it out at

    April 3, 2013

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