wow, there has to be a good way of diffusing this from all angles...
It sucks being at the recieveing end of any of this, for any of you
three kelley, AM, or Richard.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:57 PM, AM <[address removed]> wrote:
> Kelly- It appears as though the monitor has found your words to be the kind
> that you are accusing of mine. For what it's worth, this is a message worthy
> of taking to heart.
>
> On Apr 10, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Kelly wrote:
>
>>
>> you have a very distasteful and snotty attitude that is uncalled for and I
>> wish you would stop sending these emails to the group!  please can somebody
>> do something to stop this???
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 4/10/09, AM <[address removed]> wrote:
>>
>>> From: AM <[address removed]>
>>> Subject: Re: [philosophy-238] Spring Newsletter
&
gt;>> To: [address removed]
>>> Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 5:27 PM
>>> Wow Kelly, I'm sorry you found my thoughts and inquiries
>>> to be
>>> negative. No, I do not attend the group. I have a feeling
>>> you will
>>> feel right at home there.
>>>
>>> On Apr 10, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> AM do you still attend the Socrates Cafe because
>>>
>>> I've been thinking
>>>>
>>>> of going but I wouldn't want to have to listen to
>>>
>>> your negativity
>>>>
>>>> like this, I am tired of reading these emails from
>>>
>>> you, nobody else
>>>>
>>>> is putting forth this negativity, why don't you
>>>
>>> stop sending these
>>>>
>>>> emails to the group.
>>>>
>>>> Kelly
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Fri, 4/10/09, AM <[address removed]>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: AM <[address removed]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [philosophy-238] Spring Newsletter
>>>>> To: [address removed]
>>>>> Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 2:31 PM

>>>>> Richard-
>>>>>
>>>>> In your original email you say, "Socrates
>>>
>>> Caf�� is
>>>>>
>>>>> about taking into consideration what people in our
>>>
>>> group
>>>>>
>>>>> have to say and responding to it, not debating
>>>
>>> it."
>>>>>
>>>>> My question then is, how does one respond if they
>>>
>>> disagree?
>>>>>
>>>>> Here you state, "The idea is respectfully
>>>
>>> disagreeing
>>>>>
>>>>> with the ideas, not denegrating the person."
>>>>>
>>>>> In essence, you say it is ok to disagree, so long
>>>
>>> as it is
>>>>>
>>>>> respectful, yet, disagreeing in any manner would
>>>
>>> mean there
>>>>>
>>>>> is a debate- the exact thing you are asking
>>>
>>> members not to
>>>>>
>>>>> do.
>>>>>
>>>>> So which is it, Richard? Do you want debate or
>>>
>>> don't
>>>>>
>>>>> you? And if you don't, then you might as well
>>>
>>> just ask
>>>>>
>>>>> for statements rather than discussion. The other
>>>
>>> option
>>>>>
&
gt;>>>> would be to split the room into groups which have
>>>
>>> people who
>>>>>
>>>>> share the exact same opinions.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is all a bit unnerving to me, seeing how
>>>
>>> Socrates
>>>>>
>>>>> himself was a man of dialogue. And without
>>>
>>> dialogue, among
>>>>>
>>>>> people who disagree with/debate a stated premise-
>>>
>>> how will
>>>>>
>>>>> error ever be exposed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Compassionately yours,
>>>>> Ann-Marie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Richard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The idea is respectfully disagreeing with the
>>>
>>> ideas,
>>>>>
>>>>> not denegrating the person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've probably been receving monthly
>>>
>>> notices
>>>>>
>>>>> about the meetings since you have been a member
>>>
>>> technically
>>>>>
>>>>> since you first signed up.  Either you or I can
>>>
>>> take you off
>>>>>
>>>>> the Socrates membership list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>>> From: AM <[address removed]>
>>>>>> To: [address removed]
>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 10 Apr[masked]:22 pm
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [philosophy-238] Spring
>>>
>>> Newsletter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Richard-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have emailed at length in the past. We have
>>>>>
>>>>> disagreed at length in the past. Thus, I am unsure
>>>
>>> why I
>>>>>
>>>>> continue to receive emails from you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I admit to not being terribly ruffled by this,
>>>
>>> however
>>>>>
>>>>> one thing has me truly perplexed. How is it that
>>>
>>> you expect
>>>>>
>>>>> to bring diverse minds, levels of intellect and
>>>
>>> varied
>>>>>
>>>>> opinions to a gathering, yet not expect people to
>>>
>>> have or
>>>>>
>>>>> express their conviction for such mind-sets?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Compassionately yours,
>>>>>> Ann-Marie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 8, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Richard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Socrates Caf����
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Socrates Caf�� Magazine
>>>>>>> Spring 2009 Newsletter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Celebrating the Philosophically Examined
>>>
>>> Life
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ��2009 All Contents Copyrighted
>>>>>>> Society for Philosophical Inquiry
>>>>>>> www.philosopher.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is Socrates Caf��?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the past few months Socrates Caf�� has
>>>>>
>>>>> blossomed into a large and fascinating collection
>>>
>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>> individuals coming together for discussion.
>>>
>>> Through this
>>>>>
>>>>> change I feel the meaning and purpose of Socrates
>>>
>>> Caf�� may
>>>>>
>>>>> have been misrepresented or misunderstood and I
>>>
>>> would like
>>>>>
>>>>> to remind people what it is Socrates Caf�� is
>>>
>>> about. As the
>>>>>
>>>>> facilitator it is my responsibility to maintain
>>>
>>> Socrates
>>>>>
>>>>> Caf��'s meaning and purpose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Socrates C
af�� was started by Christopher
>>>>>
>>>>> Phillips. His intention was to bring philosophy
>>>
>>> out of the
>>>>>
>>>>> academic setting and present it to everyday
>>>
>>> individuals, not
>>>>>
>>>>> just college graduates or scholars of philosophy.
>>>
>>> Socrates
>>>>>
>>>>> Caf�� is about the process of philosophy and most
>>>>> importantly about asking questions. It is not
>>>
>>> intended to
>>>>>
>>>>> discuss or debate which philosopher said what or
>>>
>>> where this
>>>>>
>>>>> philosopher stands on a topic in comparison to
>>>
>>> another. It
>>>>>
>>>>> is about what we think about the topic. It is
>>>
>>> about our
>>>>>
>>>>> exploration of the question. That is not to say
>>>
>>> that quoting
>>>>>
>>>>> philosophers or others is not allowed in a
>>>
>>> discussion, but
>>>>>
>>>>> the discussion is not meant to solely depend on or
>>>
>>> revolve
>>>>>
>>>>> around a philosophers study.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is an example of one of Christopher
>>>


>>> Phillips?
>>>>>
>>>>> Socrates meetings as follows; He invited eighteen
>>>
>>> seniors
>>>>>
>>>>> and eighteen third grade children. He seated them
>>>>> alternately, child, adult, child, adult, etc. Over
>>>
>>> cookies
>>>>>
>>>>> and lemonade they discussed, ?How old is ?so
>>>
>>> old??? There is
>>>>>
>>>>> a kind of beauty in this simplicity. Just because
>>>
>>> it is
>>>>>
>>>>> simple it does not imply a lack of intelligence,
>>>
>>> especially
>>>>>
>>>>> when people walk away learning something new about
>>>>> themselves or someone else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Socrates Caf�� is about discussing a
>>>
>>> topic,
>>>>>
>>>>> sharing our thoughts, our beliefs, our ideas, and
>>>
>>> our
>>>>>
>>>>> experiences on a topic. Socrates Caf�� is about
>>>
>>> taking into
>>>>>
>>>>> consideration what people in our group have to say
>>>
>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> responding to it, not debating it. It is not about
>>>
>>> getting
>>>>>
>>>>> everyone to agree with o
r accept it. Nor is it a
>>>
>>> vehicle to
>>>>>
>>>>> push thoughts, beliefs, ideas or an agenda on
>>>
>>> others. This
>>>>>
>>>>> creates a "soap box orator" atmosphere
>>>
>>> where
>>>>>
>>>>> people may begin to preach thus causing minds to
>>>
>>> close
>>>>>
>>>>> rather than open to new experiences.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most important, Socrates Caf�� is open to
>>>
>>> every
>>>>>
>>>>> walk of life regardless of education or
>>>
>>> philosophical
>>>>>
>>>>> background. In this setting everyone is included
>>>
>>> in the
>>>>>
>>>>> discussion, whether one wants to just listen or
>>>
>>> participate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keeping this in mind we must consider our
>>>
>>> audience. For
>>>>>
>>>>> example, a scientist writing for an academic
>>>
>>> journal may use
>>>>>
>>>>> scientific jargon and lingo because his audience
>>>
>>> is educated
>>>>>
>>>>> in the science he or she is writing about. If the
>>>
>>> same
>>>>>
>>>>> p
erson is writing for a science magazine, when
>>>
>>> writing the
>>>>>
>>>>> piece the author would have to take into
>>>
>>> consideration that
>>>>>
>>>>> his or her audience may not be familiar with the
>>>
>>> text or
>>>>>
>>>>> have a scientific background and may have to word
>>>
>>> his
>>>>>
>>>>> article in terms they could understand leaving out
>>>
>>> much of
>>>>>
>>>>> the scientifi c jargon and lingo. This leads to a
>>>
>>> better
>>>>>
>>>>> communication of information. When we talk over
>>>
>>> people's
>>>>>
>>>>> heads we are not communicating to the best of our
>>>
>>> abilities,
>>>>>
>>>>> and many will feel left out of the discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Socrates Caf�� may not be for everyone.
>>>
>>> Those
>>>>>
>>>>> seeking a more academic format of discussion or
>>>
>>> debate may
>>>>>
>>>>> find Socrates Caf�� not challenging enough for

>>>
>>> them. People
>>>>>
>>>>> may wish for a discussion that lends itself to
>>>
>&g
t;> debate and
>>>>>
>>>>> focuses on topics requiring specialized knowledge.
>>>
>>> That is
>>>>>
>>>>> okay. For those who wish for such discussion
>>>
>>> groups I
>>>>>
>>>>> encourage them in forming a group more fitting to
>>>
>>> their
>>>>>
>>>>> desires and/or needs. Please keep this in mind for
>>>
>>> next
>>>>>
>>>>> month's Socrates Caf�� meeting. Also remember,
>>>
>>> as a
>>>>>
>>>>> participant in Socrates Caf�� we:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> �� Keep an open mind, suspending judgment
>>>
>>> the best
>>>>>
>>>>> we can
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> �� Listen with respect
>>>>>>> �� Speak with heart and meaning
>>>>>>> �� Seek to understand, not persuade
>>>>>>> �� Invite and honor diversity of beliefs
>>>
>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> opinions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> �� Strive for honesty and depth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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