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From: Jon Findley

To: [address removed]

Sent: Saturday, February 13,[masked]:37 AM

Subject: Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Re: Arizona quits Western climate endeavor

Pete:

Good idea for a subject for a Meet-Up. There are lots of alternatives to "Cap and Trade" vs carbon tax. A new one is Cap and Dividend which is a possible ammendant to the current legisdlative proposals. We can talk about that this afternoon. There are plenty of people locally that could be asked to participate.

Location: You are right about the coffee area at the Public Market. It is OK for an informal discussion but not good for a more formal presentation or a video. If too many people show up today we will quickly run out of room.

"What happened to other meeting places like the Merchandise Mart, which was a superb place to meet?"  

--Out of business ; victim of the economy; we can see if anyone else tries to take that over.  The library let us use a room on a one time basis but would not commit to an every month arrangement. We can check again. This is certainly something we need to discuss. Please bring your ideas!!

Jon

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Pete <[address removed]> wrote:

Dear Vinny and Paul et al,

       This is an interesting debate and Vinny offers an interesting and possible viable
alternative to "cap and trade" where carbon credits get auctioned off to the highest
bidder.  Does that really do anything to solve the "climate crisis"?   Why not have an
Alternative Energy-Meet-up real live debate on this subject--"Cap and Trade and
Viable Alternatives."  And are there any legitimate scientists--other than  ill-fated Tim
Ball--who offer some really good and viable criticism for the mainstream (lame stream)
media and conventional wisdom views about human caused climate change?  I've got
an hour documentary that offers a counter view--not sure whether Tim Ball is one of the
commentators.  

       The article which Paul references about the "Decline of Tim Ball..." while interesting
and informative, doesn't seem to relate to the topic at hand--"Cap and Trade" as a solution
to the burning of carbon emitting fossil fuels.  

        And what about a better place to meet than the dinky little room, appended to the coffee
house/restaurant where the group is meeting now?  What happened to other meeting
places like the Merchandise Mart, which was a superb place to meet?  Are they now
out of business?  What about going back to Burton Barr Library? What was wrong with
that meeting place?   This little "cubby hole" at 14 East Pierce as a meeting place stinks!
How about discussing this at the meeting today?

                                                                                              ---Pete

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