Re: [humanism-174] Atheists/humanists don't care about poverty?

From: Mark T.
Sent on: Thursday, February 7, 2013 12:13 AM

Joanna, not choppy at all- good points all!

Yeah, the author's take on the billboards etc irks me (among other things he said). Even the more abrasive American Atheists ads... I think their main purpose is to help non-theists come out of the closet, for their own sake (which does end up building community).

When CFT co-sponsored the I-480 ad back in late 2009, we did get a bump in membership which was nice. But the most gratifying thing, for me, were the personal messages from those who were elated to discover that there are similar-minded folks in our area. One woman wrote that she shed some happy tears after driving by the billboard with her 6 year-old daughter. She had been feeling very alienated because of her non belief, and knowing that nearby "safe spaces" existed gave her comfort.

You said: "Simply put, an atheist needs much more patience, empathy, compassion, and patience to TEACH. The church has had centuries to perfect this."

Well put! Humanist/atheist communities do have a long way to go to compete with what a religious community can provide- but we're working on it! :)

On Feb 6,[masked]:06 PM, "Joanna" <[address removed]> wrote:
What is an "interfaith atheist activist?"
 
"...failed to demonstrate a meaningful dedication to fighting economic inequality and building a safe space for nontheists regardless of their socioeconomic class."
 
On point one: I think the movement has been too busy fighting for point two, a safe space for nontheists regardless of their socioeconomic class.  Meaning, I think atheists have been too busy fighting for basic human rights and equality that it hasn't, so far, had the time or resources to strictly focus on helping the poor.  Further, most atheist groups are working on building numbers and community. Isn't that, after all, the main purpose of the billboards? 
 
 
And, who isn't "self-satisfied" these days?  
 
I'm not saying that atheist groups don't have a lot of growth to do.Tons and tons of it. In fact, I agree with his assessment to a point. Certainly, there are plenty of atheists who prefer to be correct than personable, whose egos require that they know more than the next person and that they demonstrate that superiority publicly. But I've also seen a lot of atheists give wholly of themselves, to exercise a level of compassion and acceptance not matched by any religious person, and with no hope of reward for their efforts.
 
All the same, I have to agree, Mark.  I don't see the language he used achieving the ends he's criticizing atheists for. I know what he's saying - atheism doesn't appeal to the poorer, less educated crowd because of the different style of communication necessary to reach that audience.  Simply put, an atheist needs much more patience, empathy, compassion, and patience to TEACH. The church has had centuries to perfect this. 
 
I just don't know if the atheist movement has the resources to tackle that problem yet. But, if we're not reaching out to the audiences we don't already appeal to, how do we acquire more relateable resources to do it?  That can be our chicken-egg problem, I suppose.
 
I hope this isn't too choppy or random. I'm trying to multitask!
 
 
 

 

 

 

In Loving Memory of SSG Edward W. Carman
Nov. 1976-Apr.2004 - US Army, 2/12 Cavalry




From: Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Wed, February 6,[masked]:05:34 PM
Subject: [humanism-174] Atheists/humanists don't care about poverty?

So says a humanist who sits on the board of Foundation Beyond Belief. Somehow, I don't think his words will help increase donations to that worthy org!

http://m.christianpost.com/news/atheist-activist-modern-atheist-movement-is-elitist-lacks-concern-for-poor--89511/





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